Posted on 06/10/2002 10:17:56 PM PDT by FresnoDA
I drink coffee in the mornings. When I first begin to any physical activity at all in the morning, I sweat, even in the dead of winter.
Also, they said he was sweating profusely from under the arms. He was wearing a shirt, so they had no way of knowing if it was new or just recent sweat that moistened his shirt.
"Other motions remained sealed on the judge's orders. The sealed motions discuss other potential evidence in the case, including evidence that Westerfield's lawyers label in court documents as "nearly as explosive as a confession." The lawyers didn't specify the nature of this evidence. "Westerfield's lawyers want to keep these sealed motions secret from the public through Westerfield's trial and until all his post-trial appeals are exhausted if he's convicted, according to documents made public today.
The stated LE motive has also been supressed.
Including my own parents. Dad was the kind of guy who enjoyed having a few friends over on occasion, nothing too wild. I'm fairly certain that no "swinging" or illegal drugs were involved. Certainly none that I ever saw at least. Just some beer drinking, cocktails etc.
But what I'm thinking now is what if myself or one of my siblings had been snatched and murdered by some perverted scumbag some evening while my parents were in the backyard socializing? What if they caught the SOB? Would some sleazbag defense lawyers have played the same game they are playing now it the Van Dam case? "JUST HOW MUCH WERE YOU DRINKING MR.WESTON?" "HOW OFTEN DO YOU HAVE THESE GET TOGETHERS MR.WESTON". "HOW WELL DO YOU KNOW THE PEOPLE THAT WERE OVER MRS.WESTON". "WHY WERE YOU NOT KEEPING A CLOSER EYE ON YOUR KIDS MRS.WESTON". "ARE YOU SURE THAT THERE WAS ONLY ALCOHOL DRINKING GOING ON!!!!".
I suppose if that happened back then there would some self righteous tsk tsker's like we have on this board right now going around getting their jollies saying how bad my parents were. I'm certain of it.
MY take on the Van Dams? Not "model citizens" but not horrible monsters either. And I don't doubt that they love their kids. They just were not very wise. But not being smart or wise deserves the savaging they are getting. They probably never dreamed that something like that could ever happen. I guess the only way to prevent it 100 percent is to outfit your kid with his or her own secret service 24/7.
Maybe that isn't even enough to stop some monster who is hell bent on doing something so evil.
1. Kids played in the RV while mommy did the nasty with Westerfield.
2. (PH Docs) They don't have Danielle's unique DNA patterns. They're using mitocondrial DNA (same as Brenda's) and/or a mix of assumed mommy and daddy's.
You look down on people that do that huh? I guess they are good enough to make your Big Mac but not good enough to get any respect for it. That's sad.
What is odd that the defense lawyer did not question further what appeared to be perjury by Mrs. van Dam.
I've read about several other cases where a child was kidnapped at night from her own room -- but I can't recall how the kidnappers took the children.
Hannity has commented that he believes the right man is on trial. Although the life style of the van Dams placed the children at risk and this might never have happened if they had been more concerned about the safety of the children, this does not mean they murdered Danielle. There is the forensic evidence against Westerfield, especially the towel and the blood on his jacket.
Many on FR have disagreed with me when I've said that parents have to be very careful about the people they allow into their home and to protect their children from sealzy elements. This case helps to support my previous arguments.
Yeah like preists, your kids soccer coach or school teacher. Just check the headlines. The only foolproof way is to never let your kid leave your house, never let anyone on your property. And watch that mailman like a hawk.
I know you didn't address your post to me..me let me take a shot at it. It depends on how much public sympathy has been created.. since RR's got the public split probably 50/50 on *who to blame*...it encouraged him to influence the jury the same way too. yee haw When a little girl was snatched, raped and killed from a really bad neighborhood in kansas city , the public sympathy was tremendous and the parent's lifestyle wasn't on display so to speak. Does that mean the parents were model citizens...we have no idea. But the creep got caught..broke his own leg tryin to get away..
For example, Andrea Yates, so the conventional wisdom went, should have been found guily by reason of insanity. But she wasn't. The jury found her guilty period.
Michael Skakel by all accounts was going to walk. He didn't. The dog mauling case that happened in San Francisco but tried in LA had an outcome that shocked the defendants (one could tell by the look on the female defendant's face). How could this happen? They were lawyers after all.
So, here we have 3 recent jury verdicts that didn't fit with the conventional wisdom, especially that espoused on Court-TV. Things seem to be changing on that cable outlet and they have a wider diversity of opinion. I don't know for sure, but I suspect that people who watch complained about the bias and they changed their on-air personalities accordingly.
OTOH, there is plenty to back up what people on both sides are posting on this thread.
Now, there are those, who simply jump into the conversation with intentions of disrupting the flow of things, act like they know more than anyone, just to ruffle some feathers. It is transparent and we know who they are.
Those of us who have followed this case from day one, don't have to go back and "source" all the information. If we are wrong, there is always someone who can refresh our memory pro or con..
Thank you for your comments.
sw
If anything, she and her friends rejected him and get got revenge.. ..
Should have said
If anything, she and her friends rejected him and he got revenge
The e-mails must have been overwhelming to get them to see "both sides", even if they had to lump it.
sw
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