Bush Warns of 'Catastrophic Power' in Terror War

Reuters via Yahoo ^ | 6-10-02 | Patricia Wilson

[The Mayor]

I don't know if it's old age, or pregnancy, but more & more news articles are getting on my nerves these days

well i sure am not pregnant so maybe it's old age and i'm only 46....sheesh.

The Mayor

[txhurl]

Start slaughtering the muslims en masse until they BEG for peace.

Viscerally, this sounds very satisfying, but I wonder if 'peace' is in their culture? Like our sanctity-of-life, have they ever even considered it?

Are we ascribing way more humanity, and human values, to them than they deserve?

They behave as rabid animals, and Americans have never had a problem putting down rabid animals. Until now, for some reason.

Of course we declared the Native Americans savage animals, but that was a different war theatre entirely.

[freeeee]

I have the absolute right to negotiate with a private party for transportation. And it is entirely up to that private party what security will be used. If the arrangement to search myself and my bags and my background is made purely by us, of our own free will, and the search is conducted by a private party, then and only then have my rights not been violated.

But when government enters the picture and commands, or conducts any such search minus probable cause and a warrant describing the time, manner and objects to be searched for, then my 4th Amendment rights most certainly have been violated.

[Pharmboy]

You could not move about freely during the RevWar--you had to have papers; loyalty oaths were also required.

It was militiamen in Tarrytown, NY who caught Major Andre coming back from a meeting with Benedict Arnold--checking papers. Things were clamped down pretty tight in the north and south during that time.

And where the Brits controlled territories, it was worse.

[Texasforever]

And it is entirely up to that private party what security will be used

Airport security is NOT private enterprise, it never has been. The Airports provide the security, the Airports are governmental entities and the security is a governmental function.

[KDD]

As long as you know when to cheer and when to boo, then that's all one needs.

[freeeee]

It was militiamen in Tarrytown, NY who caught Major Andre coming back from a meeting with Benedict Arnold--checking papers. Things were clamped down pretty tight in the north and south during that time.

The Declaration of Independence was an official declaration of war against the King. All those assumed war powers were ended at the end of the war. That's not going to happen here. We've already established that.

And where the Brits controlled territories, it was worse.

The Brits general warrants were part of the reason for the war. And they were the direct inspiration for the 4th Amendment. That wasn't ever supposed to happen again, and good men died to ensure that. We're blowing their sacrifice.

[Excuse_My_Bellicosity]

Interesting. I'm hoping that this means that we have recovered our military to a point that we can start really hitting these bastards where they live instead of just chasing rogue bands around the hills of Afghanistan. I support hitting those dogs on the ground of Afghanistan, but the upper echelons of government in Iran, Iraq, N. Korea, and Saudi Arabia are really pulling the strings here and they need to take hard simultaneous hits where their governments will really feel it. We have to avenge Sept. 11th. A high body count is the only thing the skiffy Muslims understand or respect.

[freeeee]

Airport security is NOT private enterprise, it never has been.

Then 4th Amendment rights have been violated that much longer, and that much worse now that it's been federalized.

The 4th Amendment is crysal clear: Where government is concerned, no probable cause, no warrant, no search.

I don't care if that's been ignored since the day air travel was invented, or what any court has to say about it. It's an unalienable right endowed by our Creator, period.

[stuck_in_new_orleans]

Lets see, Govt warns of future attacks and possibly by sea. Bush says we must strike first, warning for subways and concerns for July 4th, Bush says they will use catastrophic weapons against us. yada yada yada

Kinda worriesome when the goverment of the most powerful country is "jumpy"

I hope they have a plan to go into effect after we're hit. Its gonna take alot more than a bunch of senators singing patriotic songs on the capitols steps to calm the nation next time.

[Texasforever]

The 4th Amendment is crysal clear: Where government is concerned, no probable cause, no warrant, no search.

Geeze Louise. The search is completely voluntary. The only downside is that you are denied the privilege of flying if you do so. You can make a case that there is a right of travel but you have absolutely NO right to method.

[RightWhale]

the war on terror is permanent

. . . war was never officially declared

Two assertions here that aren't at all what I have picked up. First, the war on terrorists of global reach has an estimated duration of 2-3 years. Second, the terrorists declared war, it's official.

[Freedom of Speech Wins]

Share your fears here with the timing of this warning after criticisms for ignoring prior ones, the sudden announcement by Ashcroft about a guy detained since May, and Noonan's article. Hopefully our fear will be wrong and tomorrow will be a normal day.

[monkeyshine]

"We will oppose the new totalitarians with all of our power," Bush said on Monday. "We will hunt them down one by one and bring them to justice. We believe we fight an enemy that is barbaric and evil."

They are barbaric and evil. They believe that allah smiles on them when they murder innocent people and kill themselves in the process. They are among the worst evil that has walked the planet and must be eradicated ASAP.

[america-rules]

"During the RevWar and the War Between the States we--temporarily--lost some freedoms. We need to TEMPORARILY lose some freedoms again rather than lose 10% of the population as you say. I say NUTS. "

Your're 100% correct and it will happen again after any major attack. I say start it now so they don't overreact. If they start knocking down doors of too many innocent Americans congress can change the laws if they have to but until then I say round em up and ship em out !

[Vets_Husband_and_Wife]

They just don't GET what your trying to say. But thank GOD a huge percentage of Americans DO get what yourself and other likeminded people are feeling and saying. There will always be people full of FEAR,.. but I dare say the people you are trying to educate,.. place their FEAR in our own Government. Talk about mixed up.. huh?

Exerpt from the article;"Grave threats are accumulating against us, and inaction will only bring them closer," Cheney said. "We will not wait until it is too late." ,/b>

In this house.. we are thanking GOD every day for this administration. We shudder to think what would be happening.. how many MORE Lives would be lost, if we didn't have this experienced and moral leadership. It took 8 years of inactivity and ignoring the needs of this country to get us where we are today. Anyone who thinks we can wave a magic wand to undo the damage is more delusional than I had previously thought.

Your arguements are great Pharmboy.. they are just falling on paranoid, deaf ears.

FRegards!!

[2rightsleftcoast]

I'm with you!

[BenLurkin]

Respectfully, we needn't give up pur freedoms to deliver death and destruction to our enemies. Hopefully, Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld are getting ready to do just that quickly and pre-emptively.

[tbird1]

I can see that you are eager to enlist in the Armed Forces, ready to die for your country. Put yourself out on the front lines,boy. Not behind a computer keyboard.