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The Last Words of Edmund Ruffin, Southern Patriot
1865
| Edmund Ruffin
Posted on 06/05/2002 8:53:55 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861
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To: MissouriForBush
You said it all!
To: Non-Sequitur; Illbay
You might want to take a look at
Post #44 on this thread.
To: BillinDenver
"Isn't it time for the secessionists to start claiming it wasn't about slavery?"
You're right, at 70 posts its way past due to hear that. I'll give Ruffin a break though. The article doesn't provide any evidence to back up what it says about him. Maybe someone here knows the real deal on his views about slavery and blacks. 'Till then I don' want to be fallin' for any insid-E-us durnyankee prop-o-gandee.
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posted on
06/05/2002 9:59:44 AM PDT
by
newwahoo
To: sphinx
Do you enjoy the federal bureacracy that takes 1/3 of your income every yr. and gives it to others? That is the true legacy of despot lincoln. Never forget it.
To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
Well, you beat me to it. Doesn't change the fact that Reagan was a proud son of the Land of Lincoln.
To: rebelyell
Do you enjoy the federal bureacracy that takes 1/3 of your income every yr. and gives it to others? That is the true legacy of despot lincoln. Never forget it.Gosh, and I thought it was that fine upstanding son of Virginia, Woodrow Wilson, that gave us both the income tax and bureaucracy it feeds--FIFTY FRICKIN' YEARS AFTER THE CIVIL WAR.
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posted on
06/05/2002 10:03:17 AM PDT
by
Poohbah
To: Poohbah
Now I may be wrong here, but I would swear that Wilson was from NEW JERSEY......
To: TexConfederate1861
Wilson was born in Virginia in 1856
To: TexConfederate1861
Now I may be wrong here, but I would swear that Wilson was from NEW JERSEY......So far, you've managed to go two for two in not knowing where ex-Presidents come from. V-E-R-Y sloppy.
Born in Virginia in 1856, lived in Augusta, GA and Charleston, SC during Reconstruction, took a degree from the College of New Jersey, graduated from University of Virginia Law School, received a doctorate from Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore.
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posted on
06/05/2002 10:18:49 AM PDT
by
Poohbah
To: TexConfederate1861
He WAS born in Virginia in 1856 but got most of his education up north, even occupied the office of president of Princeton and was governor of New Jersey. Much like X42, born in the South but a northern leaning person.
To: Poohbah
And for those that dont know, the College of NJ is now known as Princeton.
To: billbears
He WAS born in Virginia in 1856 but got most of his education up northSo you consider Johns Hopkins University and UVA Law to be "northern" schools, I guess.
What an amazingly plastic and facile set of definitions you tote around...
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posted on
06/05/2002 10:20:35 AM PDT
by
Poohbah
To: billbears
Does his living, working, and being educated in the North make him a northerner or more specificly a "Jerseyite"?
To: Phantom Lord
"Tea being one of them. Invented in St. Louis."
I think you just pissed off about a billion Chinese. Anyway, I must point out that you yourself have a little love affair going with pork barbecue -- a Southern (Eastern NC) invention, at least in the manner in which you prepare it.
I, for one "neo" Confederate or whatever, have no animosity toward northerners unless they move here and then talk about "how great it is back home." Despite the fact I truly believe the South HAD the right to seceed, it makes little difference now unless someone wants to mount a legal challenge. The fighting forces of the North and South had huge respect for each other -- as well they should have. Hating "Yankees" today because of what happened in the 1860s would be much the same as blacks today blaming everything bad that happens to them on slavery -- it just doesn't compute.
To: newwahoo
Maybe someone here knows the real deal on his views about slavery and blacks.Good question (i.e., I've wondered the same thing myself). Ruffin argued for inherent black inferiority, but that can mean a wide range of things in practice. Jefferson Davis is frequently cited as a model slaveowner. Does anyone know what kind Ruffin was? Paternalistic and concerned for the moral instruction and personal improvement of "his people," or a drive-'em-till-they-drop" type? Respectful of slave families? Humane or quick with the lash? Decent in personal demeanor, or brutal?
Bump for an answer.
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posted on
06/05/2002 10:24:14 AM PDT
by
sphinx
To: TexConfederate1861
Holding on to property that NO LONGER BELONGS to you, caused that problem. Holding on to "property" that never belonged to you, and was not "property" in any case, caused that problem.
(Did I mention that Sam Houston could whup Edmund Ruffin with one hand tied behind his back?)
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posted on
06/05/2002 10:24:36 AM PDT
by
Campion
To: Poohbah
My girlfriend fell and hurt her knee the other day. Another legacy of Lincoln, damn him!
97
posted on
06/05/2002 10:24:39 AM PDT
by
dighton
To: Poohbah; Phantom Lord
Johns Hopkins yes, UVA, no. But he graduated first from Princeton. It is a misnomer to call him a Southerner much as it would be to call X42 a Southerner.
Phantom Lord, if you are elected as the governor of a state, you should be a native of that state. Wilson wouldn't have gotten where he was if he would have run in a Southern state
To: dighton
Ah, that also explains my daughter's hangnail and the fact that two of her baby teeth came out in the sandbox at preschool, preventing the tooth fairy from visiting.
Obviously the fault of Lincoln...
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posted on
06/05/2002 10:26:12 AM PDT
by
Poohbah
To: billbears
Johns Hopkins is in Baltimore, that region where secessionist sympathy was strongest in Maryland. Still going to call it a "Northern" school?
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posted on
06/05/2002 10:27:13 AM PDT
by
Poohbah
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