Posted on 06/03/2002 2:27:01 PM PDT by Seti 1
As for these tactics, if it was Britian, France or America who had to deal with this kind of BS, the whole place would have been leveled a long time ago. As a matter of fact, Jenin had been destroyed by the British, leveled, in response to a terrorist attack by Arabs. Easy to talk when you're not getting daily bombers killing your children.
Explain to me, how are you any different from the arab moral equivalists and forked tongued politicians? Do you even see your own hypocracy? Probably not. Or is this just a knee jerk reaction to your general hatred of Russians?
I guess that depends on what your definition of "anti-Israeli" means. From my POV, the British have a different perspective on "Jewish" issues. I have seen some British humor on Adolf Hitler, for example. I think what seems to appeal to the English sense of humor in that area could be offensive to a great number of Jewish people. Just an observation.
My uncle was a soldier in the British army. He didn't like Israelis because of the terrorism against the British army before they withdrew from Palestine.
Understandable. Your uncle's failure to resent his government for their White Paper policies before or during the Holocaust or their treatment of the Jews prior to their withdrawal illustrates the British POV.
However, my generation is less judgemental, because we are less aware of the British conflict with Zionists.
Menachem Begin once said of the Polish people that they "got their anti-Semitism along with their mother's milk". I am not saying the British people are anti-Semitic by nature. But your perspective is shaped by your environment and upbringing as are all perspectives. Recently, a French pisher made a comment at a British party about Israel being a "sh*tty little country". The English press took it in stride. Right or wrong, it illustrates a mindset.
The problem we have is that, just as the American media are pro-Israel, the British media are pro-Palestinian. Without access to the Israeli side of the story its difficult to make an informed opinion. That's where forums like this come in handy of course.
The question is, why is the British media pro-"Palestinian"? Of course, from my perspective, your press is more anti-Israel than pro-"Palestinian", but that's another subject.
That's it!!!
This lady's a a freaking back stabbing JUDENRAT!!!!.
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There's nothing illegal about the settlements, though Israel has agreed to negotiate their future with Arafat, in Oslo in 93 not 67.
They haven't been. They were in an extended process of being negotiated when Arafat began the infitada as a form of "unilateral" negotiation.
Unfortunately, I have heard British people make jokes about the Holocaust. But they were members of the British National Party, a profoundly racist and in fact neo-NAZI organisation. I have never heard British people with mainstream political opinions make jokes at the expense of the Jews who were persecuted by Hitler.
I actually had the unpleasant experience of arguing with a member of the National Front (a militant racist/fascist group). This person was espousing the benefits of having a Hitler style dictatorship in Britain. When I asked him about the Concentration Camps, he said that it wasn't important because the people who died "were just Jews". Personally, I found this attitude deeply offensive. I have a great deal of sympathy for the Jewish people, who have been mistreated by their host populations for millenia.
Your uncle's failure to resent his government for their White Paper policies before or during the Holocaust or their treatment of the Jews prior to their withdrawal illustrates the British POV.
My uncle was a common man with a modest education. He was not interested in history, therefore, he may not have been aware of the things you speak of. These events are not publicised by the British government or the British media. I only found out about Britain's bad history for helping Jews fleeing from Hitler after I spent some time reading up on it.
Recently, a French pisher made a comment at a British party about Israel being a "sh*tty little country". The English press took it in stride. Right or wrong, it illustrates a mindset.
Because the British press have publicised stories about Palestinians who have been tortured or killed by the Israelis, then there is inevitably a feeling of suspicion/hostility towards the Israeli government. This can result in people letting anti-Israeli comments pass, but it doesn't mean the people allowing these comments to pass are anti-Israeli.
Would the author consider "state terrorism" the fact that the western powers imposed Arafat's leadership upon Israel and the Palestinian people, and brought him in from exile? In the first 5 years since Arafat's arrival into the territories, more Israelis were killed by terrorists acts than in the 15 years prior to his arrival.
Given British history towards the Jews and current attitudes towards Israel, how should British reaction (or lack thereof) to these comments be interpreted?
Actually, I have to strongly disagree. The Judenrat could claim that they were forced to betray and brutalize their people by their Nazi masters. This woman has no such excuse.
It is a form of ill-advised political correctness. People feel sorry for the Palestinians, due to the media coverage of their situation, and so don't stand up for the Israelis. But don't confuse this with anti-Semitism.
Context is everything, my friend.
I was talking about a Russian Jew living in England who opposes Israeli actions but is for anti-Afghan ones. This policy does sound lik ethe Soviets in the 1980's, when they funded Palestinian terrorism while indiscriminately killing afghans.
Explain to me, how are you any different from the arab moral equivalists and forked tongued politicians? Do you even see your own hypocracy? Probably not. Or is this just a knee jerk reaction to your general hatred of Russians?
1. I don't hate Russians. I hate communist and Jews who sympathise with anti-Israel terror.
2. I see no hypocracy. read my statement above and comment 55.
I thought she had a Soviet mindset when she first said these things to me. But after I spent more time discussing politics with her, I released she was not at all Communist, or even Socialist. Her politics are right wing and nationalistic, note her opinion on conscription in post 64.
I will debate the facts with her, which you and your contemporaries have supplied, when she returns from London in a couple of weeks time. If she has any arguments or questions, then I will encourage her to correspond with you.
If she wishes to, then would you be interested in doing this?
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