Libertarians: Striving for an impact in NH

Manchster Union Leader and NH Sunday News ^ | 6/2/02 | PAT HAMMOND

[RJCogburn]

Pretty fair treatment by the press.

[concerned about politics]

“The pragmatist would not abolish the system of education as we see it now. The purist would in a heartbeat. The purists don’t understand the politics — the fact that there are some things you just can’t do.”
..............“You really have a hard time selling this concept of freedom,” he said.

Freedom for his way only? No parential choice for whats best for their kids? No wonder people don't grasp the concept.
Heck, why not vote for Hitler? Gee, no wonder no one votes for them.

[concerned about politics]

“Then I think the excitement level of the population will increase, because then we would have somebody on the mountain, as it were, using it as a pulpit.

How about the anti-christ? He'd do real well in the libertarian party.

[bassmaner]

Freedom for his way only? No parential choice for whats best for their kids? No wonder people don't grasp the concept.

Huh?

Do you really believe that government imposing taxes and laws constitutes "parental choice for whats best for their kids" ? I think Orwell wrote a book about that kind of thinking.

The LP supports maximum parental choice in every aspect of their children's lives. Get real.

[concerned about politics]

The LP supports maximum parental choice in every aspect of their children's lives. Get real.

Not school choice. Children spend most of their childhood in school. Shouldn't the parent decide which school is best?

[concerned about politics]

Libertarians /liberals demand parents who can't afford to pay for private schooling send their kids to libertarian/liberal indoctrination centers.
The only difference between libertarian/ liberal lifestyles is who's going to clean up the mess after the party.
Why should the lower income parents be forced by these people to obey them? Parents are DENIED that choice by the dictators. Why should we be forced to send our "puppies" to you for training?

[Judai]

To put that much energy into a politcal party, that brags about winning single digits is wasteful. Most Republicans are more conservative than our politicians end up. That is partly the media and the bias that exists and the reality of actually passing legislation.

Idealists should stay away from running for office. Duh?

[Mike4Freedom]

There seems to be a little confusion here. Full choice for parents is exactly what Libertarians want. Some of these comments are confusing me.

Gun run schools (you call them public schools) are hardly choice. We favor the complete separation of school and state. The purists think this should happen tomorrow morning. The practical among us see a need for vouchers for a few years to allow the private school industry to build up its capacity.

Either way, full choice on all education issues is with the parents. No more political fights about spending, curriculum, evolution/creation, phonics/whole language or whatever.

I get the feeling that conservatives think that they have to diss libertarian ideas even when they agree with conservative principles.

[palo verde]

Hi RJ
thanks for posting this article
I found it interesting
it's true there are more registered independents now than either registered dems or pubs
there's also a lot of people who never voted before
(Governor Ventura picked up a lot of those in his win)
I don't think freedom is hard concept to sell, who does not love freedom
What Jesse Ventura had going for him is he believed he was gonna take this thing
As soon as Libertarians believe they're gonna win, and mobilize for it, they'll have momentum
I'm starting to think process is everything tho, it's gonna be a turbulent next two years, if Libertarian Party offers haven for passion and idealism
we can keep our heads high, our focus clear, and sail right thru it
maybe sail into Office too
Love, Palo

[palo verde]

I agree, good post

[concerned about politics]

We favor the complete separation of school and state.

Now there's a delema. Where does the Constitution say Separation of Church and State when it comes to homeschool, or public worship? It says government cannot dictate what religion we must be. Some are Baptist, some Catholic, some Methodist. If all are supported, how is it unconstitutional? The government does not chose which one for us, we chose. So, private schools should be funded ASAP. What's the problem? There's plenty out there. First come, first served until more are built. Who dictates the waiting period? Libertarians? How sweet of them.

[RJCogburn]

The only difference between libertarian/ liberal lifestyles is who's going to clean up the mess after the party

Silly statement.

[RJCogburn]

So, private schools should be funded ASAP

By whom?

[concerned about politics]

By whom?

Do we not fund public indoctrination now? Why not fund all educational institutions then? Private schools a well as homeschools. Heck, they're actually teaching their kids. Why not buy the better product as long as we're forced to pay?
You libertarians are so concerned about religion in schools, you'll allow thousands of indoctrinated robots to go through the failing system every year to prevent it.
What are the kids learning in public schools?
The liberal agenda includes world government (which will tolerate little to no U.S. interference), a world military (which will enter the U.S. at whim to quell a disturbance), a world court (which will impose law without U.S. Constitutional protections), world taxes (which will seize our money to redistribute to Third-World countries), and a world religion (Gaia be praised).
You'd rather fight school choice now because someone might pray, and allow this scrurge of America to grow. If you want a better government, why allow these kids to be trained for the next generation of voters when even the parents themselves don't want it? Is this the kind of government you want?
It's what the libertarianism fight against immediate school choice is allowing to happen.
You should be screaming for school choice any way you can get it! Iron out the little details later!

[concerned about politics]

PS....And so many libertarians here have admitted to being atheist and against school choice and religion, which is no problem, it's a free country (for now) but that means they also don't believe the docturine of the anti-Christ, a world leader who will arise out of this one world goverment, court, military, tax code, and Earth worship. Won't they be suprised! And to think they're actually assisting it.

[concerned about politics]

PS...and one last thing. Besides shattering our sovereignty, the liberal agenda includes dumbing down our kids, violating our right to own handguns, confiscating private property, encouraging deviant sexual behavior, imposing population controls, favoring plants and animals over humans, justifying moral relativism, and strengthening oppressive central-government control. But hey, as long as they don't have religion in school, God forbid! Right? Separation of Church and State?

[galt-jw]

if you fund a private school, it is not private, it is govt run: public.

Yes a parent should be able to choose which schools-the same way they choose any other product in a capitalist society: via the free market. the best products will survive, the worst, schools like public school caliber, will not.

[concerned about politics]

if you fund a private school, it is not private, it is govt run: public.

That's where freedom 'OF' religion as well as freedom 'FROM' religion comes in. It's pure choice! They should be able to say no to liberal studies on that basis. Liberalism is the opposite of Christianity. A patriot is the opposite of a socialist. None of those things I posted earlier would be taught unless the school chooses to do so, but the parents can say "No thank you. I'll go somewhere else."

[Mike4Freedom]

So, private schools should be funded ASAP. What's the problem? There's plenty out there. First come, first served until more are built. Who dictates the waiting period? Libertarians? How sweet of them.

NO, this is just a statement of practicallity. With vouchers available, so that parents would not have to pay twice, private schools will take up the students as fast as they can. Those who do not get in will have to stay in the public schools for another year or be homeschooled. That is the choice of the parents.

We are guessing that it will take 2 or 3 years to have room for everybody. How do you make that into us dictating the schedule?