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House Votes to Protect U.S. Troops From Globalist Court
Newsmax ^ | May 29, 2002 | Wes Vernon

Posted on 05/28/2002 9:14:19 PM PDT by SpyderTim

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Time for all good FReepers to act. Call your Congressmen. More importantly, everyone call Daschle and let him know we mean business!
1 posted on 05/28/2002 9:14:19 PM PDT by SpyderTim
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To: Bush Doctrine Unfold;Sovereignty_list;UN_List
bump for bump lists
2 posted on 05/28/2002 9:22:42 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: SpyderTim
THANKYOU HOUSE REPS! BTTT
3 posted on 05/28/2002 9:26:47 PM PDT by brat
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To: SpyderTim
I can't believe that Daschle would play with the futures of American servicemen who could become victims of the UN International Court just for political gain. If he does try to kill it this toad will have reached a new low, even for him.
4 posted on 05/28/2002 9:29:56 PM PDT by Green Knight
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To: SpyderTim
Somebody help me out here... if the Senate doesn't ratify the treaty, doesn't that make bringing an American before the court a moot point?
5 posted on 05/28/2002 9:38:01 PM PDT by kezekiel
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To: SpyderTim
What really should be made evident is those who voted against protecting our troops from the world court. That is outrageous!

We should start something to let the voters of those who voted against this know that theri representative did not vote to keep our service men and women from the clutches of foreign powers who would bring charges against our troops for protecting the soldiers defending our citizens.

With the mood of the country in favor of our troops, this is a campaign issue that all Republicans should use against those who voted against this necessary legislation.

6 posted on 05/28/2002 9:40:28 PM PDT by JSteff
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To: SpyderTim
Interesting article....I do wish Newsmax could actually write some balanced stories sometime though...if it is going to call itself part of the media, it at least should try to be fair and balanced.
7 posted on 05/28/2002 9:40:37 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: SpyderTim
Message to U.N.: GET BENT.
9 posted on 05/28/2002 9:55:05 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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While I understand your perspective, I do think that Newsmax was never intended to be fair and balanced. The principle behind their existence, I'm speculating, is merely to counter the blatant left-wing bias of the mainstream news media.
10 posted on 05/28/2002 10:09:23 PM PDT by SpyderTim
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To: SpyderTim
Time for all good FReepers to act. Call your Congressmen. More importantly, everyone call Daschle and let him know we mean business!

Thanks. I'm on it! Where can I contribute to Daschle's opponent's campaign?

11 posted on 05/28/2002 10:16:36 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: kezekiel
Somebody help me out here... if the Senate doesn't ratify the treaty, doesn't that make bringing an American before the court a moot point?

The idea is that if the EUnuchs arrested an American soldier and put him in that kangaroo court anyway, the US armed forces would go in and rescue him and return him to America.

12 posted on 05/28/2002 10:57:54 PM PDT by Timesink
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"The idea is that if the EUnuchs arrested an American soldier and put him in that kangaroo court anyway, the US armed forces would go in and rescue him and return him to America."

Not if the new world order government is a reality. The fact that even ONE vote was cast against in OUR congress is scary!

Every one of their names should be publicized.

13 posted on 05/28/2002 11:22:14 PM PDT by poet
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To: SpyderTim
Good move on the part of Congress to protect our troops.

One example of this is Attorney General John Ashcroft’s memo after Sept. 11 urging agencies to stall on Freedom of Information Requests and not to shy away from fighting such demands in court, if it comes to that.

Keeping the government answerable to the people is an erosion of executive power?

15 posted on 05/29/2002 2:27:32 AM PDT by Quila
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Our government is still having problems deciding if it should give up it's sovereignty.
16 posted on 05/29/2002 2:38:54 AM PDT by exodus
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Keeping the government answerable to the people is an erosion of executive power?
# 15 by Quila
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Apparently so.

If I understand the principle, the Executive can ignore any Congressional or Judicial act.
Of course, he would then be threatened with the possibility of impeachment.

17 posted on 05/29/2002 2:43:54 AM PDT by exodus
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To: kezekiel
Here is the text of a bill by Congressman Ron Paul, the Whereas section explains a lot:

107th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. CON. RES. 23 Expressing the sense of the Congress that President George W. Bush should declare to all nations that the United States does not intend to assent to or ratify the International Criminal Court Treaty, also referred to as the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court, and the signature of former President Clinton to that treaty should not be construed otherwise.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

February 8, 2001

Mr. PAUL (for himself, Mr. GOODE, Mr. JONES of North Carolina, Mr. BARTLETT of Maryland, and Mr. DUNCAN) submitted the following concurrent resolution; which was referred to the Committee on International Relations

CONCURRENT RESOLUTION Expressing the sense of the Congress that President George W. Bush should declare to all nations that the United States does not intend to assent to or ratify the International Criminal Court Treaty, also referred to as the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court, and the signature of former President Clinton to that treaty should not be construed otherwise.

Whereas the International Criminal Court Treaty would establish the International Criminal Court as an international authority with power to threaten the ability of the United States to engage in military action to provide for its national defense;

Whereas former President Clinton's designee signed the International Criminal Court Treaty on December 31, 2000;

Whereas the term `crimes of aggression', as used in the treaty, is not specifically defined and therefore would, by design and effect, require the United States to receive prior United Nations Security Council approval and International Criminal Court confirmation before engaging in military action, thereby putting United States military officers in jeopardy of an International Criminal Court prosecution;

Whereas the International Criminal Court Treaty creates the possibility that United States civilians, like United States military personnel, could be brought before a court that bypasses the United States Government;

Whereas the people of the United States are self-governing, and they have a constitutional right to be tried in accordance with the laws that their elected representatives enact and to be judged by their peers and no others;

Whereas the treaty would subject United States individuals who appear before the International Criminal Court to trial and punishment without the rights and protections that the United States Constitution guarantees, including trial by a jury of one's peers, protection from double jeopardy, the right to know the evidence brought against one, the right to confront one's accusers, and the right to a speedy trial;

Whereas the Supreme Court stated in Missouri v. Holland, 252 U.S. 416, 433 (1920), Reid v. Covert, 354 U.S. 1 (1957), and DeGeofrey v. Riggs, 133 U.S. 258, 267 (1890) that the United States Government may not enter into a treaty that contravenes prohibitory words in the United States Constitution because the treaty power does not authorize what the Constitution forbids;

Whereas the 1969 Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties provides that a party is not bound to a treaty unless it has consented to be bound;

Whereas the International Criminal Court Treaty breaks substantially with accepted norms of international law because it extends its jurisdiction even to the nationals of countries that do not sign and ratify the treaty;

Whereas the International Criminal Court would be empowered unilaterally to investigate, try, and punish certain crimes, contrary to the current international norm of affording countries the primary responsibility for punishing these crimes;

Whereas approval of the International Criminal Court Treaty is in fundamental conflict with the constitutional oaths of the President and Senators, because the United States Constitution clearly provides that `[a]ll legislative powers shall be vested in a Congress of the United States', and vested powers cannot be transferred;

Whereas each of the 4 types of offenses over which the International Criminal Court may obtain jurisdiction is within the legislative and judicial authority of the United States;

Whereas the International Criminal Court Treaty creates a supranational court that would exercise the judicial power constitutionally reserved only to the United States and thus is in direct violation of the United States Constitution;

Whereas in order to make a treaty, the United States Constitution requires the President to obtain the advice and consent of the Senate and the concurrence of the Senate by a 2/3 vote; and

Whereas former President Clinton signed the International Criminal Court Treaty but expressed his intention not to submit the treaty to the Senate, thereby rendering his act procedurally inadequate and unconstitutional: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved by the House of Representatives (the Senate concurring), That it is the sense of Congress that--

(1) the International Criminal Court Treaty, also referred to as the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court, undermines United States sovereignty and security, conflicts with the United States Constitution, contradicts customs of international law, and violates the inalienable rights of self-government, individual liberty, and popular sovereignty; and

(2) President George W. Bush should declare to all nations that the United States does not intend to assent to or ratify the treaty and the signature of former President Clinton to the treaty should not be construed otherwise.

18 posted on 05/29/2002 2:48:02 AM PDT by gortklattu
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To: Green Knight
Dashole is an America's leading tratior, unable to ever tell the truth.

What little brains this creepy, slimey moron has is totally controled by his giant ego.

He cares nothing about what is best for America, only what will feed is giant ego.

This lying, whining, slimey creep has got to go before he does real damage to America just to please his ego.

19 posted on 05/29/2002 4:05:14 AM PDT by chiefqc
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ping
20 posted on 05/29/2002 7:16:43 AM PDT by madfly
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