Posted on 05/23/2002 8:52:25 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
Continues to collect tariffs that they feel is due them which is what started the war in the first place
It's hard to say which was laid lower, Ipmerial Japan, or the So-called CSA.
It was widely thought in Europe that the so-called seceded states could not be subdued.
Oddly, if you think about it, United States forces had an almost unbroken series of successes, especially in the west. Several attempts by the CSA to invade the north were successfully repulsed, and Union efforts in the "west" received only one serious check, at Chickamaugua. Other than that, U.S. forces advanced constantly from Forts Donelson and Henry, through Shiloh, Vicksburg, Stones River, Atlanta and on to Charleston.
The reason the so-called CSA failed in its rebellion against the lawful government was that southern will, and its armies, melted away.
Walt
It shouldn't be forgotten that besides the maladroit firing on Sumter, Davis also ordered an invasion of Kentucky that backfired badly also.
Oh, and so much for respect for Kentucky state's rights, by Davis.
President Lincoln never did anything as far outside the pale as that.
President Lincoln said he would see United States law operate in all the states, which he did. Davis professed to respect states' rights, which he did not.
Walt
Oh no? How about the unconstitutional annexation of Western Virginia?
Ok, but that's like saying if the Germans could cross the English Channel in July 1940 they would have defeated Britain.
Both are true but neither the South nor Germany had the Navy that was needed.
Oh no? How about the unconstitutional annexation of Western Virginia?
Tsk, tsk.
The president is not involved in the creation of new states.
Consider:
"The consent of the legislatiure of Virginia is constitutionally neccesary to the bill for the admission of West-Virginia becoming a law. A body claiming to be such a legislature has given it's consent. We can not deny that it is such, unless we do so on the outside knowledge that the body was chosen at elections, in which a majority of the qualified voters of Virginia did not participate. But it is a universal practice in the popular elections of all the states, to give no legal consideration whatever to those who do not choose to vote, as against the effect of those, who do choose to vote. Hence, it is not the qualifed voters, but the qualified voters--who --choose--to--vote, that constitute the political power of the state."
A. Lincoln
Surprise, surprise, disloyal Virginians.
Walt
That was the incident that began the fighting. The Confederacy could have won early if they had advanced into DC following their initial victory. They could have sued for peace if they had prevailed at Gettysburg, which they could possibly have done several times during the engagement, but that was nearly their last chance. The longer the war went on, the dimmer their chances became.
However, it's fair to note that these would constitute "victory" in a diplomatic sense only, and that the underlying cause of the war -- which was expansion of slavery into the new territories -- would still exist. The sectional rivalries would also have been considerably sharpened by the fact of the North having "lost" the war.
Eventually the Civil War would have started afresh, and probably ended with the same utter defeat of the South as actually occurred.
The Confederacy lost because Lincoln and Union troops waged an uncivil war against civilians and civilian property. Unable to win honorably on the field of battle, Union troops resorted attacking civilians and their property. Only after 4 years against overwhelming odds, we were starved into submission.
LOL! If credibility is based on a short quote from a biased newspaper, then you've got it in spades. Here in the real world, however.....
I note in passing that the first shot of the war was fired by Edmund Ruffin. Ruffin's desire to push the secessionist movement towards a confrontation with the North brought him to Charleston during the Sumter crisis. He intended to take his stand with the Confederacy, and he hoped events would drive his native state, Virginia , out of the Union. His ardent southern nationalism made him a hero of southern radicals. He was invited to attend three secession conventions, and given the honor of firing one of the first batteries against Fort Sumter.
A rather telling little passage, which demonstrates that at least some of the influential southerners were not so peaceful and reasonable as the ones who inhabit the imaginations of the pro-Confederates hereabout.
As the war drew to a close, Ruffin committed suicide His last words were: "I here declare my unmitigated hatred to Yankee rule -- to all political, social and business connection with the Yankees and to the Yankee race. Would that I could impress these sentiments, in their full force, on every living Southerner and bequeath them to every one yet to be born! May such sentiments be held universally in the outraged and down-trodden South, though in silence and stillness, until the now far-distant day shall arrive for just retribution for Yankee usurpation, oppression and atrocious outrages, and for deliverance and vengeance for the now ruined, subjugated and enslaved Southern States!
...And now with my latest writing and utterance, and with what will be near my latest breath, I here repeat and would willingly proclaim my unmitigated hatred to yankee rule--to all political, social and business connections with Yankees, and the perfidious, malignant and vile Yankee race."
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