Posted on 05/21/2002 7:55:47 AM PDT by ThreeOfSeven
Yeah, imagine that a conservative(????) who likes Lenin, hates Israel, and cites the BBC as a non biased news source
Not only that but a look at the "evidence" Zviadist uses for this assertion that Israel "created" Hamas is quite revealing:
From the article--"Israeli support for Islamic extremists, as an opposition force to the secular pro-PLO movement, eventually blew up in Israel's face. (thus creating Hamas)"
If such a standard were applied to the US it would read as follows:
"American support for Islamic extremists (the Mujahadeen), as an opposition force to the Soviet Union, eventually blew up in America's face. (thus creating Al Qaeda)"
Based on the same faulty Berkeley-esque logic Zviadist might as well have put up a picture of Bin Laden and said we "created" him
So lets, see, Zviadist. Hmm, likes Lenin, hates Israel, likes to scapegoat, believes that the BBC is an unbiased source--
With all due respect to Cachelot, I think he's got it wrong above, Z is no right winger, he's a left wing commie right out of Berkeley.
Yeah, I'm definitely thinking Z-man is a dead ringer for a Berkeley commie.
Correction: it's at the bottom of the Christian movement. Christians believe in a little thing called Jesus Christ, who brought the new covenant with him. I know that bothers you greatly, but it happened. As to the "Christian identity movement", you seem to know more about it than I do, but from what I can surmise they would have little time for one with my religious views.
But you think all Christians are Nazis. You said so yourself.
Isn't it time for you to go trolling around other sites now, seeing what denunciations you can come up with? Bye bye, hate-monger.
Yeah, that BBC -- a hotbed of anti-semitism. I'll tell that to my Jewish friends who work there. It should be good for a laugh at the expense of a silly Yank cow.
If you were not so ignorant, you would know that he was indeed on the CIA payroll at one time. But why waste time on a network news empty-head like you. Go back to your People Magazine.
'In its website coverage and World Service radio broadcasts, BBC continues to purvey a highly distorted anti-Israel picture of events in the Middle East. A website headline about a terrorist who shot dead three Israelis and injured 16 others obscured the fact that he was a Palestinian by stating “Israel bus station gunman kills three” (Thursday, 4 October, 2001, 22:11 GMT). When Hamas terrorists infiltrated the community of Elei Sinai, murdering two Israeli youths and wounding 15 others before being shot themselves by Israeli security officers, the BBC website headline questioned whether this was indeed an assault by using selective quotation marks: “Palestinians ‘attack Jewish settlement’ ” (Tuesday, 2 October, 2001 19:26 GMT).'
Uhuh, That's right. So, according to your own logic We "CREATED" him, and therefore, also by your own logic, we must be no better than that horrible Israel.
So, How is Berkeley these days, I hear the weather's nice? Bash any capitalist pigs today?
The BBC hates America and hates Israel. If you had taken the time to look at the kind of stuff they generally report you would know that. They routinely accuse Bush of starting the war in Afghanistan because he wants oil and natural gas.
Go back to your Pravda
Not only lying, but hallucinating. You really should lay off the crack, little Zviadist :)). That kind of thing quickly turns into a nasty and expensive habit not easily supported by eastbloc trash.
Besides the Christians who believe that Israel is there because Jesus wanted it that way, there is plenty of conservatism that would have a short fuse for Israel or her defenders who can shame even a Johnnie Cochrane through their constant and abusive playing of the race card, in this case, the antisemitism card.
Israel itself was the product of a reparations campaign - a shakedown of Western Civilization for what was due the poor peoples who have suffered. Where do you think the Palestinians learned it? Just because Israel has become colonial itself does not mean that her creation was not born in the same stew of communist and anti-colonialism that runs in the streets of the Palestinian ghettos today. A homeland for everyone! Forty acres and a mule! Back to the Promised Land! Right the ancient wrongs!
There is some overlap between the libertarian limited-government viewpoint and the egalitarian liberal viewpoint. Both support human rights, but liberals go overboard on big government programs to regulate society and redistribute wealth.
I think it is detrimental whenever people label an anti-zionist as an anti-semite, equate them with Nazis, etc. I am not a pro-zionist myself, but have moved further in that direction by getting the bigger picture, as opposed to blindly choosing a side just because everyone else does.
This crowd certainly fits the definition of 'self-hating Jews'. I bolded who they were angry at, Jewish settlers, the Jewish government, the Jewish Army. They are not angry at the monsters who blow up children at Bat Mitzvahs, they are not angry at the terrorist leaders who attack their own families, and they are not angry at the anti-Semites around the world attacking Jews for being Jews. These people have enlisted morally in the PLO, and should be treated as such.
So...America was the product of a reparations campaign too - a shakedown of the American Indians for what was due the British colonists after their having suffered unfair taxation and religious oppression under the King of England? Yes?
There's no overlap here at all. Liberals who want drugs or prostitution legalized or similar things are being like libertarians.
The liberals who hate Israel and America are the biggest PC authoritarian nutballs that ever existed. and the more nutty PC antiwestern, antiwhite, anti-American, anti-achievement anti-civilization they get, the more they agree with you guys.
Sure, I've heard the same arguments from blacks on affirmative action using that very argument for it. Don't look now dude but you look far closer to the race card players than those you accuse.
Just because Israel has become colonial itself does not mean that her creation was not born in the same stew of communist and anti-colonialism that runs in the streets of the Palestinian ghettos today.
Nonsense. Israel is not communist nor anticolonialist either. Although you can bet your a$# that their enemies on the left, the people you have chosen to ally yourself with, are as communist and anticolonialist as any people ever have been.
A homeland for everyone! Forty acres and a mule! Back to the Promised Land! Right the ancient wrongs!
A homeland for everyone, sounds a lot more like your new friends, the Palestinians, doesn't it?
And Of course the people who said they want 40 acres and a mule, reparations, et al. (liberal black malcontents demanding things from whitey) that you've quoted overwhelmingly support the Palestinians and hate Israel. But I know that doesn't bother you, you're happy to march with them, aren't you? They're your new best friends aren't they?
And let's look at who else you are siding with shall we?
the race card playing UN, the biggest marxist entity in the world--with it's--"Israel is a racist state" and blaming western culture for the third world's ills.
And you are on the side of those who rejoiced when Americans were murdered.
And you are on the side of those who deliberately target innocents, even children with bombs filled with nails.
And you're on the same side as the Berkley and the European Marxists.
Hey, maybe if you keep up the good work, some day they'll make you an honorary commie.
"Hey hey, ho ho, Western culture's gotta go!" Come on freetus, chant it with them, you know the words.
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