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Abortion and Libertarianism
The Libertarian Enterprise ^ | May 13, 2002 | W. James Antle III

Posted on 05/20/2002 2:51:41 PM PDT by dubyajames

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To: jlogajan
Thanks for elaborating.
121 posted on 05/20/2002 10:41:33 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: Texasforever
Or do you actually wear a propeller beanie?

I must confess my favorite Saturday morning cartoon was Beanie and Cecil -- well, actually it is a toss up between that or Spider-Man.

122 posted on 05/20/2002 10:45:51 PM PDT by jlogajan
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To: jlogajan
I believe that abortion should be a legal "self-defense" action if the mother's life or actual serious health issues are involved. A similar case could be made for rape since the woman was forcibly impregnated. However; abortion in lieu of, or used as, birth-control should not be a "right" of the mother OR father. Abortion is as much an irresponsible guy's best friend as it is a woman's. If the woman does not want the child then she can carry it to term and put it up for adoption. If the man can be identified he should be made to pay for all expenses involved.
123 posted on 05/20/2002 10:52:06 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Cultural Jihad
So I see some fool, actually tried to imply, that Justice Clarence Thomas, never voted to overturn Roe v.Wade. A huge historical distortion of the facts.

In the 1992 case of Planned Parenthood v. Casey, Four justices, Rehnquist, White, Scalia, and Thomas, voted to overturn Roe saying it was wrongly decided.
In his opinion, Justice Blackmun warned, "I fear for the darkness as four justices await the single vote necessary to extinguish the light… I cannot stay on this Court forever."

From a short bio on Justice Thomas:

Justice Thomas joins Justice Scalia and Chief Justice Rehnquist as the minority of the Court that opposes Roe v. Wade.

Nuff said.

124 posted on 05/20/2002 10:53:10 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: Texasforever
Texphilosophy, - 'Big Government is Good'.
125 posted on 05/20/2002 10:56:05 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: jlogajan
I must confess my favorite Saturday morning cartoon was Beanie and Cecil -- well, actually it is a toss up between that or Spider-Man.

Yeah but geeze you apparently grew out of it. This ZON Matrix thing is Inspector Gadget on steroids.

126 posted on 05/20/2002 10:57:53 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: tpaine
Texphilosophy, - 'Big Government is Good'.

Once again you completely miss the mark. Drinking causes bad aim.

128 posted on 05/20/2002 11:00:25 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: ThomasJefferson
You guys never tire of trying to link a philosophy with a political party. Vacant minds never produce anything of substance.

So, if I understand you right, libertarians, have nothing in common with the Libertarian Party. Hmmm. And I suppose, in your world, republicans have nothing in common with the Republican Party and democarts, have nothing in common with the Democratic Party.

Talk about vacant minds, producing nothing of substance!

You're amazing TJ.

129 posted on 05/20/2002 11:00:47 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: Goldhammer

Excellent poker book

Goldhammer wrote/quoted:"Only in a poker game can a man lie and practice any form of deceit, except cheating, and still remain a gentleman. The good palyer makes extensive use of his right to deceive. He conceals facts and lies about anything that offers him an advantage."

- 'The Advanced Concepts of Poker' page 72Neo-Tech... "fully integrated dishonesty".

Are you sure you want to do this? ...Keep taking information and intentionally omitting key context? It is your loss. What do you think you'll accomplish besides parading  your true colors on the this forum for others to see. Listen, all I have to do is get the key context information and post it here. Juxtaposition it next to your out-of-context quote and you've succeeded in exposing your irrationality and dishonesty?

I'm doing you a favor.

The bluff:
Poker player John tells opponent Bob he's holding two pair when he holds only an ace high. That's deceit, deception and lying. It is also an acceptable and expected aspect of the game of poker that all players agree is acceptable. Cheating, on the other hand is not permitted and cheaters have been injured or worse when caught cheating.

Important excerpt explains the nature of winning poker:

After writing the Manual and identifying the nature of winning poker as a highly profitable but time-consuming, nonproductive activity that requires bringing out the worst in opponents, the author stopped playing poker.

Poker can work against the good player's self-esteem and happiness no matter how much money he wins since the source of self-esteem and happiness lies in being productive,[ 45 ] and poker is a nonproductive activity. Also, in the long run, a person will almost always earn more money by pursuing productive routes rather than nonproductive or destructive routes.

Furthermore, in poker, the good player must strive to surround himself with losers--with people who are constantly defaulting on the use of their minds--the opposite kind of people whom the good player could respect and enjoy. That poker is not a very satisfying or rewarding way for him to consume large, irreplaceable portions of his life.... The good player, therefore, may be the biggest loser in the game.

And the superior professional player is perhaps the biggest loser in poker, especially in public poker. Constantly surrounded by losers, he consumes his intelligence and time in a situation that provides a guaranteed income, but offers neither an interesting nor a productive future.

 

[ 45 ] Productivity is defined as adding to the sum total of mankind's material, intellectual, physiological. psychological, or aesthetic well-being. Humans earn genuine self-esteem and happiness through the pursuit of productive goals.


130 posted on 05/20/2002 11:04:02 PM PDT by Zon
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To: Cultural Jihad
So I see some fool just posted to you, and actually tried to imply, that I had claimed that Justice Clarence Thomas never voted to overturn Roe v.Wade. A huge historical distortion of the facts. - I never said, or even implied that.

I posted, at #101:

You don't have a clue as to the court.
Thomas is FOR individual rights. A first trimester pregant woman is still quite definitely an individual. - Her fetus, at that point, is not

131 posted on 05/20/2002 11:12:08 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: Cultural Jihad

Yeah, that C.I.A. spiel on "zonpower for a civilization of the universe" was a great waste of taxpayer money.

I'm not sure what you're taking about. Do you have a link where I can read about it? Also, what all-time-best sellers or comparative accomplishments have you achieved?

132 posted on 05/20/2002 11:12:52 PM PDT by Zon
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To: Texasforever
Drinking? - Hell, I even skipped my usual wine with dinner tonight.

You obviously have booze on your mind. - And, quite often, - post like a drunk.

ME-thinks we have a transference syndrome surfacing in our ol 'tex'.

134 posted on 05/20/2002 11:20:20 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: Zon
I'm not sure what you're taking about. Do you have a link where I can read about it? Also, what all-time-best sellers or comparative accomplishments have you achieved?

I hold in my secret safe the answer to the universe. I am withholding the publication until my non-profit "SPECIAL COUNCIL REASEARCHING ORIGINS OF THE UNIVERSAL MUFFIN" OR ...SCROTUM has been approved and the web site designed.

135 posted on 05/20/2002 11:23:18 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Reagan Man
Good grief, - Mr. Vague himself, - attempting to make a point about vacant minds. How droll.
136 posted on 05/20/2002 11:26:50 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: Cultural Jihad
Original post by Goldhammer: I do not think I'll ever match Zonmaster Wallace Ward's accomplishment of being incarcerated. By the way, has Zonmaster Ward payed out the $10,000 bonuses he owes Neo-Tech "core members" yet?

Cultural Jihad wrote: Fraud and force are just slight inconveniences. They ought to follow tpaine's principled libertarian lead and just clean up the vomit the drunk disgorges on their porch.

I answered that to Goldhammer in my #130 post. Which I will use to highlight similarites.

Original as posted to Goldhammer :

Just the other day you made a similar remark (see repost below) and I explained that the IRS committed crimes against Dr. Wallace since you obviously didn't take the initiative to get the whole story from the Web site. But maybe you did read it and chose to ignore that key context because it refutes your agenda of portraying Dr. Wallace as a criminal.

Which is probably the truth especially since you're still inverting justice and siding with the criminal IRS and judge that sent an innocent Wallace Ward to jail.

Neo-Tech: fully integrated honesty (FIH) with wide-scope accounting (WSA) and statistical integrations to increase prosperity and happiness for self others and society via discipline, thought and control (DTC).

Dr. Wallace Ward's resume is impressive. A double PhD in physics and a top research scientist at DuPont that invented and took to market three products. That was over thirty years ago and last I heard those products are still being sold in the market. Whereas only twenty percent of research scientists ever get even one product to market in their longer careers.  But his greatest prosperity creating work is with Neo-Tech/Zonpower. Which he retired early from DuPont to put his efforts towards. Thirty-two years of seven-day-a-week twelve-to-sixteen hour days and that's just one man not to mention other writers and researchers' years of work at Neo-Tech Worldwide?

By the way, has Zonmaster Ward payed out the $10,000 bonuses he owes Neo-Tech "core members" yet?

You'll regurgitate anything you read if it suits your agenda while omitting key context that would otherwise refute your assertions. The supposed $10,000 bonus money was not due to those disgruntled employees that tried pulling the equivalent of a reparations theft.

 

To: Goldhammer

Come now, Wallace Ward (a.k.a Dr Frank Wallace, a.k.a John Flint) was a crook who spent time in jail. He invented Neo-Tech.

He didn't invent Neo-Tech, he discovered the Neo-Tech matrix.. Yes the political-agenda justice system and an ego-justice judge sent Dr. Wallace Ward to prison for ten months? Why did they send him to prison? For not paying his fair share of income tax. The major problem is that he actually overpaid his income tax for all the years in question -- I've seen the tax filings for those years. Mostly on the part of the judge, he knew that Dr. Wallace was innocent but sent an innocent man to prison nonetheless. The judge is the crook, not Dr. Wallace.

Dr. Wallace has several pen names that he publishes under. Use of pen names is common in the book publishing industry. I didn't miss your attempt to make the a.k.a.s look ominously like a criminal hiding behind aliases to hide a criminal identity. A little honesty on your part would be welcome.

Also, Wallace never used Neo-Tech to hide any crimes. It cannot be done. If you read the Neo-Tech Discovery you would know why it is impossible. Wallace has used Neo-Tech several dozen times to protect his interests from neocheaters' attacks. Neo-Tech expose criminals but cannot hide them.

264 posted on 5/17/02 7:21 AM Eastern by Zon


137 posted on 05/20/2002 11:27:35 PM PDT by Zon
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To: Texasforever
What do we get for $10,000 (besides a glib tongue from an ex-convict)?
139 posted on 05/20/2002 11:32:22 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Texasforever

He didn't invent Neo-Tech, he discovered the Neo-Tech matrix..

Come on, you are not real are you? Or do you actually wear a propeller beanie?

Very real. Yeah right and you are so well read on Neo-Tech/Zonpower that you would know the difference? Obviously not. How's you're garden of ignorance doing, any new sprouts or blooms able to grow in that much darkness void of illumination.

140 posted on 05/20/2002 11:34:19 PM PDT by Zon
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