Posted on 05/18/2002 7:44:57 PM PDT by LarryLied
And thank you for your views, which I understand and empathize with, but which I simply don't believe are obtainable in the manner you believe. So, my point is our differences are systematic rather than due to a collision of moral objectives. Once you realize that, then you can maybe even learn a little from people like me.
LMAO Good one Roscoe!
Yes.
A "substance" can be taxed and it can be regulated. A patient with a legally valid prescription may be able to obtain a narcotic otherwise unavailable to the public at large.
Ha.
"Where the law of the majority ceases to be acknowledged, there government ends; the law of the strongest takes its place, and life and property are his who can take them." --Thomas Jefferson to Annapolis Citizens, 1809.
To: Zon"The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others." -- Thomas Jefferson
Drug use creates burdens and injuries on beyond just the users.
Being dishonest excites you, doesn't it? trimming a quote to facilitate twisting it out of context. Typical of you to stoop to such blatant dishonesty. Here's the full quote I posted.
"The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." — THOMAS JEFFERSON
Followed by the other quote that I posted that further grounds Jefferson's words in context...
"No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another, and this is all from which the laws ought to restrain him." --Thomas Jefferson
No source, of course.
And the article is a screed for more than just legalizing "marijuana."
"I think it is inimical to a good life to be dependent for pleasure and personal fulfilment on substances which gloss or distort reality and interfere with rationality; and yet I believe that heroin, cocaine, marijuana, ecstasy and cognates of these should be legal and available in exactly the same way as nicotine and alcohol."
Which makes the quote even less relevant. Jefferson was talking about religious worship.
Thanks for trashing your own "point."
Another good quote. Californians voted overwhelmingly to allow for medicinal marijuana, but their votes were not 'acknowledged'. As a result, property has been taken (by the State and Feds) and a few lives may have been affected (hopefully not too seriously as you can still get anything you want, at Alice's resturant :^)
That's not true.
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Heres some specific information on deaths from marijuana. Whoever said theres been no deaths caused from smoking marijuana is totally incorrect.
And heres the link. You must use Acrobat Reader.
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Drug Abuse Warning Network
Annual Medical Examiner Data 1997
DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES
Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration
This report presents information on deaths related to drug abuse that were reported to the Drug Abuse Warning Network (DAWN) by participating medical examiners (MEs).
The Office of Applied Studies in the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA) is responsible for the operation of DAWN.
Drug-related deaths discussed in this report do not represent the Nation as a whole or, necessarily, the total of ME drug abuse cases in the respective metropolitan areas. Because ME participation in DAWN is voluntary, information described in this report reflects only those facilities that reported to DAWN during all or most (at least 10 months) of 1997. In 1997, 145 MEs in 42 metropolitan areas participated in DAWN.
Drug abuse deaths reported to DAWN may be either drug-induced or drug-related. A drug-induced death is any death in which the death was caused directly by the drug (i.e., a drug overdose). A drug-related death is one in which the ME has concluded that drug use contributed to the death, but was not its sole cause.
The terms ME drug abuse episode or case or ME episode or case refer to any death that the ME indicated was induced by or related to drug abuse. Similarly, the terms ME drug mention or ME mention refer to a substance that was mentioned in a drug abuse episode. As many as 6 drugs, plus alcohol-in-combination, can be reported to DAWN. Thus, the number of drug mentions will always equal or exceed the number of ME episodes.
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MEs participating in DAWN in 1997 reported 9,743 drug-related deaths involving 24,162 drug mentions in 42 metropolitan areas (Table 1.01).
MARIJUANA/HASHISH
— Marijuana/hashish was the sixth-ranking drug reported by DAWN MEs in 1997, [a total of 702 deaths] ,(7% of episodes) (Table 2.06a), but was usually (in 73% of episodes) present in combination with other drugs (Table 2.17).
—In ME cases reported in 1997, marijuana/hashish was most frequently mentioned in combination with alcohol (216 mentions), cocaine (196 mentions), and heroin/morphine (145 mentions) (Table 2.18).
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Marijuana is addictive (3); it adversely affects the immune system (4), leads to the use of other drugs, such as cocaine (5); it causes cancer, including cancer of the lungs, mouth, lip, and tongue (6). Marijuana also casues respiratory diseases (7) and mental disorders, such as schizophrenia and other psychoses, depression, panic attacks, hallucinations, paranoia, hostility, depersonalization, flashbacks, decreased cognitive performance, disconnected thought, delusions, and impaired memory (8). Since marijuana impairs coordination and judgment, it is a major cause of accidents (9). Babies born to women who smoke marijuana during pregnancy have an increased incidence of leukemia (10), low birth weight (11) and other abnormalities.
References:
(3)Gold MS. Marijuana, NY: Plenum Medical Book Co., p.22 7, 1989
(4)Spector S et al. Adv Exp Med Bio 288:47-56, 1991; Djeu J et al. Adv Exp Med Bio 288: 57-62, 1991; Watzl B et al. Adv Exp Med Bio 288: 63-70, 1991 Cabral GA et al. Adv Exp Med Bio 288: 93-105, 1991
(5)Kleber HD. J Clin Psych 49:2 (Suppl), p. 3-6, 1988
(6)Donald PJ Otolaryn Head & Neck Surg 94: 517-521, 1986 Ferguson RP et al. JAMA 261: 41 42, 1989 Taylor FM. South Med J 81: 1213 1216, 1988 Donald PJ. Adv Exp Med Bio 288: 33-46, 1991
(7)Tashkin DP. West J Med 158: 635-637, 1993 Polen Mr et al West J Med 158: 596 601, 1993
(8)American Psychiatric Association, Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM IV), May 1994 Schwartz RH. Pediatric Clinics of North America 34: 305-317, 1987 Cherek DR et al. Psychopharmaco logy 111: 163-168, 1993 Andreasson S et al. Lancet 2: 1483 1485, 1987 Schwartz, RH et al. Am J Dis Child 143: 1214-1219, 1989
(9)Soderstrom CA et al. Archives of Surg 123: 733-737, 1988 Williams AF et al. Public Health Re port 100: 19-25, 1985 Department of Transportation. Na tional Transportation Safety Board Report, Washington D.C., Febmary 5, 1990 Brookoff D et al. New Eng J Med 331: 518-522, 1994 Leirer VO et al. Aviat Space Environ Med 62: 221-227, 1991
(10)Robison LL et al. Cancer 63: 1904-1910, 1989
(11)Zuckennan B et al. New Eng J Med 320: 762-768, 1989
Come on BUD. You can do better than that. The Federal Government is not bound to recognize "laws" passed by "direct democracy". Our system of government was based on "Republican" to Republican" both Federal and State. The Medical Pot initiative was in direct conflict with the Constitutional supremacy clause laid out by the founders.
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