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The GOP's Immigration Dilemma
The Hill ^ | 5/15/2002 | Dick Morris

Posted on 05/16/2002 12:24:37 PM PDT by hchutch

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To: usadave
What does minimum wage pay these days anyway? Do you happen to know?
201 posted on 05/16/2002 6:24:42 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny)
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To: Arleigh
Yeah, well if you lose the election, then the bad policy will go through anyhow.

Sorry, but I'm not going to pander to Buchanan-bots and ultimately throw this country into the laps of people like Hillary and Al Gore. It won't work. I lose more votes than I gain, and I see someone opposed to everything I stand for elected.

How that improves the situation is something I'd like you to explain. Because I see it as making the situation MUCH WORSE.

202 posted on 05/16/2002 6:25:56 PM PDT by hchutch
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To: Arleigh
Gee, your just full of good analogies tonight!
203 posted on 05/16/2002 6:26:23 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny)
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To: usadave
Most Americans can't live on such meager wages. Illegal aliens can get by on these low wages by living 10-15 to a house, a way of living that most Americans abhor.

You got that exactly right. HALF of the growth in the earnings gap between college-educated and non-college-educated workers since the 1980's has been attributed to immigration. Jobs that used to pay liveable wages with benefits are now paying minimum wage and no benefits. Surprise, Surprise! Americans don't want them. Business gets fatter profits, elites get cheaper yard boys and nannies and restaurant meals, and America turns into a Third World nation with a bifurcated economy and a growing underclass.

204 posted on 05/16/2002 6:27:26 PM PDT by Arleigh
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To: Scratch shooter
The way things are going, the Hispanics will be the majority in America in 30-40 years. They will then take ALL the spoils of government. By allowing unlimited, massive immigration, both parties will become extinct. The country will be ruled by some Hispanic party whose primary goal will be to extract all wealth from non-Hispanic people, and then, when they are bled dry, they will be forced out.

This scenario has absolutely zero chance of playing itself out. There will be a breakout of war long before 30-40 more years go by if current trends continue unchecked. Americans are already mad as hell and it's not going to take much more to cause things to explode in the U.S.

205 posted on 05/16/2002 6:27:59 PM PDT by usadave
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To: hchutch
Yeah, well if you lose the election, then the bad policy will go through anyhow.

We won the election the last time, and bad policies are STILL being worked on like amnesty for law breakers. It's a wonder that Bush didn't think of placing compasionate water stations in the desert when he was governor.

207 posted on 05/16/2002 6:30:15 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny)
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To: Scorpio
,i>But that won't happen because the GOP is controlled by big business and the DNP is controlled by the trial lawyers. Either way, we are screwed.

Yep. The GOP is selling the light bulbs and the Dems are eager to sell the electricity. Keep those bulbs burning!

208 posted on 05/16/2002 6:33:02 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny)
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To: hchutch
How that improves the situation is something I'd like you to explain. Because I see it as making the situation MUCH WORSE.

You're going to have to accept some short-term pain for long term gain. A few terms of President Hillary will be good for the country if it makes the RepublicRats stop taking "non-rich" whites for granted. Just like an alkie needs to hit rock bottom before he's ready to seek help, the RepublicRats are going to have to be kicked in the teeth before they realize they can't expect to out-Democrat the Democrats.

209 posted on 05/16/2002 6:33:41 PM PDT by Arleigh
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To: ET(end tyranny)
Gee, your just full of good analogies tonight!

Thankyew. Thankyewverramuch!

211 posted on 05/16/2002 6:35:33 PM PDT by Arleigh
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To: usadave
There will be a breakout of war long before 30-40 more years go by if current trends continue unchecked. Americans are already mad as hell and it's not going to take much more to cause things to explode in the U.S.

And the fact that NEITHER major party is listening to us guarantees it will be ugly. Nobody is looking out for the interests of the average, non-rich, white Christian. So the anger is not going to be focused productively...

213 posted on 05/16/2002 6:39:10 PM PDT by Arleigh
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To: ET(end tyranny)
What does minimum wage pay these days anyway? Do you happen to know?

As of September 1, 1997, federal law mandates a minimum wage of at least $5.15 per hour. But individual states have the flexibility to set a higher minimum wage amount if they so desire. In California I believe the minimum wage is currently
$6.75 per hour.

215 posted on 05/16/2002 6:43:01 PM PDT by usadave
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To: Scorpio
You are naive. For every Hispanic vote gained there will be a White vote lost to third parties ...

RepublicRats will be LUCKY if they only lose one White vote for every Hispanic vote. Since there are roughly 6 whites for every Hispanic, it's more likely that you'll turn off 2 or 3 Whites for every Hispanic gained.

PLUS, Blacks and Hispanics don't have common interests, either. So, pandering to Hispanics will not gain any Black votes.

216 posted on 05/16/2002 6:43:08 PM PDT by Arleigh
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To: usadave
Most Americans can't live on such meager wages. Illegal aliens can get by on these low wages by living 10-15 to a house

Or a housing project apartment. The illegals don't pay property taxes and have nothing to lose if they use a county hospital or an Emergency Room for free. Only US citizens are required to sign away their home if they lack insurance, free care is given to illegals so they are very willing to accept a job that offers no benefits. They also don't have the same attitude about taking food stamps and other freebies, most Americans don't like being seen by their neighbors using food stamps but an illegal is very proud of them.

217 posted on 05/16/2002 6:45:01 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: hchutch
This is BS from a Former leader of the NY County Democrat Party.

The Hispanic Population is growing due to immigration. Every year, we are importing a million more Democrats.

Amnestying 7-10 million illegals, 1/2 of whom will also become Democrats in the next decade in the hope that our percentage of the Hispanic vote goeas up 10% is crazy.
The Math doesn't work. 5 million New Democrats for a shift of 2.5 million hispanics leaves a net results of 2.5 million more Democrats.

However, the costs continue as teh GOP will have to give up more and more of its conservative message to get the Hispanic vote.

However, I think that the premise of the article is wrong. We will not get additional votes. Additional immigrants help disassimilate Hispanics and re-enforces their Democrat voting patern.

To get Hispanic votes, we need them to assimilate to middle America. Immigrations does not allow for this.

The NY GOP is pro-immigration and increasingly liberal. It is also dying. Why should America follow NY?

218 posted on 05/16/2002 6:46:41 PM PDT by rmlew
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To: Arleigh
We got two terms of a Clinton, and got 9/11 as a result.

Thanks, but no thanks. We had eight years too many of negligence and gutting of our armed forces. I find that unacceptable. I find tax increases unacceptable. I find blowjobs in the Oval Office unacceptable. I find kissing the butt of every two-bit dictator like Castro and Jiang unacceptable.

And all so mad little Buchananbots can indulge in a pipe dream of a "Fortress America." That is crap. Go ahead and run off, we'll win WITHOUT you.

219 posted on 05/16/2002 6:46:57 PM PDT by hchutch
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To: ET(end tyranny)
We won the election the last time, and bad policies are STILL being worked on like amnesty for law breakers. It's a wonder that Bush didn't think of placing compasionate water stations in the desert when he was governor.

And, have you noticed that we have already had two Hispanic events in the Whitehouse this month and it's only half gone? I think Bush is going for a record in that department.

220 posted on 05/16/2002 6:48:00 PM PDT by al_possum39
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