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1 posted on 05/16/2002 9:14:35 AM PDT by xvb
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26 posted on 05/16/2002 10:43:42 AM PDT by Stand Watch Listen
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What nonsense! Similar things were written about Orthodox Christianity -- after all they never went through a Renaissance or Reformation. And the same was also said of Judaism when Orthodoxy dominated. But how many Jews keep all 613 commandments today?

There may be impediments or stumbling blocks that prevent Islamic societies from "joining the Modern World," but simply dredging up religious books to find commandments and injunctions tells us little or nothing about the real obstacles to modernization. This article presumes what it claims to prove. Modernization means a loosening of such elaborate codes for regulating daily life. Describing the traditional code tells us nothing about how far Islam has moved in the direction of modernity, any more than describing traditional Hindu rituals of purification tells us about how modern India has become or will become. The article also ignores evidence to the contrary in the real world. Indeed, there's a lot of talk in the article of theological rules, but very little consideration of how Muslims actually live in the West or in Islamic lands.

I am sure that if he discussed Mosaic law or the Laws of Manu he would have us convinced that Jews and Hindus also couldn't join the modern world. But any real discussion has to get beyond such obviously stacked arguments.

30 posted on 05/16/2002 10:48:52 AM PDT by x
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PSYCHOSIS [sy.KO.sis] (n).

“The inability of a person to distinguish between what is real and what is imaginary.

"Psychosis is a term used to describe a severe mental illness. Psychotics are characterized by a variety of symptoms that most people consider abnormal. These include experiencing delusions, such as the notion that one is being persecuted or conspired against. Psychotics may see things which don't actually exist and hear voices (i.e. God) when no one is around. They often exhibit compulsive, irrational, ritualized behavior, esp. when such behavior serves no purpose or is even harmful or disruptive to those around them. They show no concern for others but may exhibit total self-centered behavior. Includes schizophrenia."

DSM-IV

And we're trying to _understand_ these murderous lunatics?

31 posted on 05/16/2002 10:51:27 AM PDT by pabianice
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Gotta be careful here--

The Christian is aware that he will be accountable for his thoughts and actions in the Final Judgment, but this awareness exists alongside the understanding that the Lord allows compartments of privacy where humans can cherish God’s creation by nurturing their own spontaneity and innovation.

This is true IF coupled with the understanding that those "compartments of privacy" are still under the dominion of the Lord, that it is the Lord's good plan and pleaseure to allow us freedom, because only with freedom (despite its risks) can we become that which He created us to be.

However, there is no area on which God has no claim, where we are "out of school" as CS Lewis put it. To suggest otherwise is a dangerous heresy. Our freedoms are part and parcel of God's plan, and do not represent an exemption from it.

Islam's problem is that they cannot deal with the tension of freewill versus predestination, and have opted to do away with free will rather than worry about multidimensional mysteries that look like contradictions to limited human eyes.

33 posted on 05/16/2002 10:57:13 AM PDT by Rytwyng
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I'll be sure to wash up three time if I come into contact with any of them.
34 posted on 05/16/2002 11:01:28 AM PDT by PsyOp
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I think that the Founding Fathers have something to answer for on this issue . . . the First Amendment, at least as interpreted post-14th Amendment. The Framers ridiculed the idea that religion had anything to do with government, and we all grew up believing it. But in Islam (of the existence of which the Framers were in fact not ignorant) we have a counter example of a "church" which insists on controling the state. We cannot read the First Amendment as accepting religious control of the state, but the alternative is necessarily some government contol of militant religion. And in the case of Assassin sects such as OBL's there really cannot be effective government "religious toleration."
35 posted on 05/16/2002 11:02:30 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion
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BUMP
38 posted on 05/16/2002 11:10:12 AM PDT by Publius6961
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Incredible!
54 posted on 05/18/2002 10:59:21 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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After reading this I am reminded of the Ministry of Funny Walks for some reason.
55 posted on 05/18/2002 11:30:45 PM PDT by Centurion2000
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"They are not allowed to sleep on their backs or on their stomachs or on their left sides. They have to sleep on their right sides."
Elderly Islamic people must be extremely prone to bedsores on the right side.

57 posted on 05/20/2002 3:45:45 PM PDT by Texas Gal
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Muslims are instructed that they have to use their right side for all things first.

You put your right foot in,

You pull your left foot out

Shake it all about

58 posted on 05/20/2002 3:56:16 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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Is it OCD for the OCD challenged?... or is it ...OCD for dummies?
75 posted on 10/01/2002 8:11:30 AM PDT by Diana Rose
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The Rush Limbaugh theory is working in Iran. We have exported liberalism, and they have bought it. The under 30s are into drugs, rock 'n roll, abortions, Pepsi, pizza. Not only that, but they are the majority of the population, thanks to the breeding program initiated by the Islamists.
77 posted on 10/01/2002 8:29:40 AM PDT by js1138
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Recommended reading suggestion:

"Islam Unveiled"
by Robert Spencer

I heard the author interviewed on The Michael Medved Show; the book sounds to be
well-documented and "pulls no punches" in describing the well-know and secretive
parts of "The Religion of Peace, Inc.".
80 posted on 10/01/2002 9:46:14 AM PDT by VOA
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91 posted on 11/18/2002 7:55:14 PM PST by GOPJ
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92 posted on 11/18/2002 11:12:21 PM PST by timestax
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99 posted on 12/09/2002 10:47:11 AM PST by Fiddlstix
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100 posted on 12/09/2002 10:51:45 AM PST by Stand Watch Listen
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