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View for sale: $30,000 New owner of a lake fences it off when homeowners wouldn't pay.
St. Petersburg Times ^ | May 14, 2002 | ROBERT FARLEY

Posted on 05/14/2002 5:05:40 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: AppyPappy
Let;s say you live next door to a guy and he doesn't like you. So when you go to sell your house, he throws trash all over his yard, dumps some old cars and trailers in the yard and puts up a fence that he later burns in places to make it look bad. And he tells the neighbors he is doing it to spite you but will stop if you pay him $5000. Are you harmed?

The analogy is incomplete. You need to add:
- If you pay the $5000, you'll own the property in question and can clean it up as you like
- What prompted him to make the mess was you removing property markers and playing golf on his property without permission, claiming that the prior owner did let you play golf on his property.

When I was about 8 years old, the family next door moved out and a new family moved in. Operating on habit, a bunch of us local kids proceeded to play in that yard, just as we had done for years before. The new owners pointed out that the old occupants had left, someone new lived there, and that we were not to play in that yard any more. We whined a little, sucked it up, and played somewhere else. Sounds like the whiny property owners around the lake haven't learned what I figured out at age 8.

801 posted on 05/14/2002 1:22:12 PM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: You are here
LOL! You are an illogical buffoon who goes quickly to the personal attack and cannot back up what he says with logic, only anecdotes.

Please answer this: do you have any college education? If so, have you ever taken any courses in Logic?

Just a hunch, but I predict your stay on Free Republic will be a brief one.

803 posted on 05/14/2002 1:24:58 PM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: ctdonath2
The $30k did not mean they owned the lake. It meant the fence came down.
804 posted on 05/14/2002 1:25:37 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: bvw
hydrofluoric -- sorry.
805 posted on 05/14/2002 1:26:09 PM PDT by bvw
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To: ladyjane
Sounds like a bunch of angry old rich retirees.
688 posted on 5/14/02 11:49 AM Pacific by ladyjane

YES, We have a WINNER!

Can't Drive, follow directions OR read Property Descriptions. MORONS! Next thing they'll expect is for some poor slob to have to pay for their medical coverages while they live in those half million dollar "cottages"! (/sarcasm)

806 posted on 05/14/2002 1:26:24 PM PDT by Area51
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To: You are here; Jim Robinson
Don't make me sic Jim Robinson on you.

LOL! Welcome to Free Republic, newbie.

807 posted on 05/14/2002 1:26:44 PM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: AppyPappy
The $30k did not mean they owned the lake. It meant the fence came down.

No. It meant that they would then OWN the land on which the fence sat and they could then remove the fence if they wanted to....

809 posted on 05/14/2002 1:27:17 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny)
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To: one_particular_harbour
The prior owner could/should have had the courtesy to directly alert the landowners in question. If I end up selling my property - whether voluntarily or by tax-deliquency seizure - the first thing I'll do is tell the neighbors so they have the first dibs on purchase.
811 posted on 05/14/2002 1:27:49 PM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: Koblenz
The county should have notified the owners around the lake that this property was for sale.

Unless Florida law is really strange, the county did publish notice of the sale, with a description of the property, in a general circulation newspaper. Or do you mean that the county should always provide direct, actual notice to owners of abutting properties whenever there is a tax sale?

812 posted on 05/14/2002 1:27:55 PM PDT by the bottle let me down
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To: AppyPappy
The $30k did not mean they owned the lake. It meant the fence came down.

It meant the $30,000 would be for the purchase of the strip around the lakeshore. Then they'd be free to do with the fence as they wished. Sheesh! 806 posts and you still haven't figured that one out?

813 posted on 05/14/2002 1:28:22 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: one_particular_harbour
I'll stand on my premise that notice by publication ain't notice at all.

I tend to agree, however, it is the law in many places, and so from start to finish, this sordid tale has been conducted in strict accordance with the law (as far as we know - we do not know whether Connelly was given notice in some other manner to which the homeowners aren't privy), excepting of course, the removal of surveyor stakes and their tossing into the lake.

If people feel strongly about it, then they should work to have the law changed. I would suggest that in addition to publication, property-holders adjacent to the property in question should be notified in writing or some such. I'm just throwing the ideas out there, I haven't thought through all the ramifications, such as would it have to be by certified mail, etc, etc.

814 posted on 05/14/2002 1:28:25 PM PDT by freedomcrusader
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To: bvw
muriatic
Muriatic (hydrochloric) acid on the fence? Besides destroying their lawn when it seeps, all it does is bring out the "security equipment". They'd be better off using paint.

In the lake? You'd need several tanker truckloads to accomplish anything. If you did, the EPA would give birth to porcupines. Breech presentation.

-Eric

816 posted on 05/14/2002 1:28:51 PM PDT by E Rocc
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To: ladyjane
And how do we know this? If true, it's the lawyers' fault. The homeowners can sue their lawyers for leaving a loophole in the deed!

That's exactly why we lawyers are questioning the circumstances. Presumably each of these homes was sold at differing times and likely re-sold. Therefore, numerous lawyers were called on to review the conveyances. If the lake was not a "common area," it seems like it would have been addressed prior to this incident.

On the other hand, if the lake appeared to be part of the "common area" in the homeowner's documents (and therefore homeowners had a right to expect the use of the lake), then there likely was a breach of that relationship when the taxes were not paid. The Speculator's actions are the rather dramatic consequences of that breach.

817 posted on 05/14/2002 1:29:04 PM PDT by Boatlawyer
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To: AppyPappy
The $30k did not mean they owned the lake. It meant the fence came down.

'The speculator, 44-year-old Don Connolly of Valrico, now is offering to sell the land behind each of the homes for $30,000 per homeowner.'

From the article it appears that he is willing to sell them the land down to the water for the $30,000.

818 posted on 05/14/2002 1:29:25 PM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: wacko
It depends on the perpective

What perspective? If it ain't yours, you have no right to it.

819 posted on 05/14/2002 1:29:46 PM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: E Rocc
They could have formed an organization to buy the lake at any time.

A friend of mine is a developer. In his most recent development he had some tennis courts that were to be taken over by the owners when half the houses were sold. For the past 5 years he has been paying the taxes and insurance on the tennis courts and trying without success to get the homeowners to take over the responsibility. They've been using them for the past 7 years. They refused to do it. It's not money since these are 700K houses with 3 car garages. They want him to run their tennis club for free - forever. As said earlier, nothing like freeloaders when the handouts stop. Oh yes, they complain when they need to be maintained.

820 posted on 05/14/2002 1:30:31 PM PDT by ladyjane
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