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Japan Cranks Up pressure on China
The Japan Times ^ | Saturdy, May 11, 2002 | Unknown

Posted on 05/10/2002 1:00:30 PM PDT by tlrugit

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To: dinok
The days of the Japanese samurai are over

The samurai are still there. It's not their day, true, for the time being. The day may come again.

41 posted on 05/10/2002 5:16:23 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: borghead
You are foolish to believe the Japanese don't have nukes now. They've had plenty of reactors capable of making the needed fuel for many, many years. They certainly have the technology. What they've done in some bunker 2000 feet into a mountain is totally unknown.

If a war between Japan and China were to break out which is very unlikely I think which side do you think we'd support? I'd say the Japanese would have to do something pretty outrageous for us not to support them pronto.

42 posted on 05/10/2002 5:24:41 PM PDT by DB
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To: DoughtyOne
Always glad to add 2 cents worth of opinion : )
43 posted on 05/10/2002 6:32:15 PM PDT by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: RightWhale, dinok
You must not know a lot about Japanese Organized Crime.
44 posted on 05/10/2002 6:32:55 PM PDT by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: Aggie Mama
Yes, there are many Chinese Christians and they are often persecuted by the Communists over in mainland China.

This is a very respected magazine, both in a hard copy and online, for news about Christians being persecuted all over the world. I believe that the founder of this organization was also stuck in a Nazi Concentration camp because he was a member of the clergy who actually spoke out against Hitler. Anyway, it makes for an interesting perspective on global events and reminds me to at least never take religious freedom for granted.

The Voice of the Martyrs Webpage/Magazine

45 posted on 05/10/2002 7:37:00 PM PDT by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: Aggie Mama
Here is some facts directly from the website concerning the religious intolerance in China. (And this is the country that both Republicans and Democrats felt deserved PNTR):

"Chairman Mao Zedong declared the Peoples Republic of China in 1949 and quickly sought to purge society of anything religious, causing China’s people to endure great hardship ever since. Mao’s Great Leap Forward in the late ‘50s and the Cultural Revolution in the ‘60s and ‘70s left millions of his countrymen dead or victimized. Today, with its policies of forced abortion and sterilization, China’s human rights record is one of the worst in the world. Authorities reportedly sell the organs of executed prisoners to meet the demand for transplants. Its system of “re-education through labor” detains hundreds of thousands each year in work camps without even a court hearing. China’s “strike-hard” policy, presented as a crackdown on criminals, is hardest on Christians, putting more believers in prison or under detention than in any other country. The confiscation of church property and Bibles continues—even Bibles officially printed by the government. Yet the Church grows: an estimated 3,000 Chinese come to Christ each day. China’s house church movement, which comprises approximately 90 percent of China’s Christians, endures unimaginable persecution, yet stands on its commitment to preach the gospel no matter the cost. In 1998, house church leaders for the first time publicly called on the Communist government to officially recognize house churches. Pray for continued faithfulness of Chinese believers."

Source: China's Religious Intolerance/Voice of the Martyrs

46 posted on 05/10/2002 7:50:10 PM PDT by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: tlrugit
When and where has the world seen this type of behavior before? We must heed these early warning signs and begin to prepare in earnest for the coming great powers conflict.
47 posted on 05/10/2002 8:07:30 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD
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To: FreedominJesusChrist
Really? Do you?
48 posted on 05/10/2002 8:15:22 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: tlrugit
payback for the 'rape of nanking?'
49 posted on 05/10/2002 8:41:13 PM PDT by rockfish59
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To: FreedominJesusChrist
I guess because Italy has the Mafia its a force to be feared in the world? Get real.

The Japanese will do nothing because they make billions from cheap Chinese labor. And so do we in the US. Ever see who makes most things we buy at Wal-Mart and any other store?

50 posted on 05/10/2002 9:10:26 PM PDT by dinok
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To: tlrugit
I was wondering what it would take to get the Japanese upset about Red China.
51 posted on 05/11/2002 4:46:50 AM PDT by Mortimer Snavely
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To: borghead
Were you responding to someone else's post but directed it towards mine in error? Your comment is a total non-sequitur to mine.
52 posted on 05/11/2002 5:04:56 AM PDT by The Electrician
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To: belmont_mark
When and where has the world seen this type of behavior before?

Check out the waters off Florida facing Cuba. How about the Mexican-American border.

53 posted on 05/11/2002 5:13:46 AM PDT by Fishing-guy
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To: caa26; all
Here is the two year old report from Jane's on the Japanese Naval Fleet. Japan is not any paper tiger as some would like for us to believe.

This serves to confirm in Japanese minds that, notwithstanding anxieties about North Korea's ballistic missile capability, China represents its primary security threat. But self-defence is not confined to home waters. Japan also has an interest in preserving its trade routes through the Malacca Straits to the Gulf. For this reason the Japanese Maritime Self-Defence Force (JMSDF), while still constrained by the Japanese post-war constitution, continues to explore the limits of what is allowed and accepted.

A highly significant development was the announcement that a new class of 13,000 ton destroyers would be aviation-capable and possibly of `through-deck' design.

The `Oosumi' class amphibious ships already have some aircraft carrier characteristics.

Underwater, the quality of a force of 17 active submarines is being improved by the commissioning of the `Oyashio' class diesel submarines which may form the testbed for the fitting of air-independent propulsion in a future class.

Improvements to the substantial surface fleet are being achieved by the introduction of the capable `Improved Murasame' class destroyers while the acquisition of air-to air refuelling aircraft opens up the possibility of land-based air defence aircraft operating in its support. The principal air defence platforms, the `Kongou' class, are based on the USN `Arleigh Burke' class and may also form the basis for the next step in the development of the rapidly expanding and increasingly sophisticated South Korean Navy.

The KDX-3 project is for up to six destroyers of about 10,000 tons to be commissioned in about 2009. Required capabilities may include phased-array radar and helicopter facilities. There are likely to be six KDX-2 ships, of which three are currently under construction, to add to the existing three KDX-1 (`Okpo') class.

Acquisition of a highly capable submarine force is also being progressed. The current force is based on the German `Type 209' class but three `Type 214' class with air-independent propulsion are to enter service from 2007. Larger 3,000 ton submarines may follow.

Even bolder are the plans to procure a 12,000 ton amphibious ship between 2005 and 2010 and, looking even further ahead, aspirations to acquire a small aircraft carrier. Such capabilities are complex and expensive to procure and the unification of Korea, if and when it happens, could well affect the scale of these plans. However, it is clear that, whereas the North Korean Navy is concerned largely with territorial integrity, a more expansive role is envisaged by those south of the 38th parallel.

54 posted on 05/11/2002 1:16:37 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: chilepepper
A Nuclear attack on Japan by China would be an act of war. By treaty we are bound to defend Japan. If Japan were nuked China would not have to worry about the Japanese response but worry about incoming Minutemen from their silos in Wyoming, North Dakota, South Dakota, etc. Not to speak of our sea and air based missles. If Japan is attacked we would immediately attack every known nuclear asset that China has. We would also let it be known the next wave of attacks would be on every major military and industrial base in China and the last wave would be against major metropolitan areas. An attack on Japan will not happen because the Chinese Leadership has no wish to be destroyed.
55 posted on 05/11/2002 2:26:58 PM PDT by cpdiii
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To: DB
I recall reading a few years ago, and I'm sorry but the source escapes me, that Japan is one of a few nations that because of their technical capability, are considered to be, while not in violation of the Non-proliferation treaty, essentially "a screw turn away." This would give them the possibility of crossing the threshold relatively quickly if they felt they were sufficiently threatened. Given their long and extensive experience with nuclear technology I tend to believe this.

Japan, while they have a depressing record of not owning up to their atrocities committed in the 20th century, does remember and feels shame. I work with a number of Japanese folks (Japanese citizens here for a few years at a time) and I can assure you admitting error is something that culture just doesn't do easily. I don't necessarily mean that in a negative way even though it can be quite frustrating to work with, but it's just their way. Sort of the flipside of Canadians who apologize when you step on their foot (I mean that literally). China endlessly hammers Japan for their war record and the Japanese just hate hearing about it. They will generally avoid doing anything that reminds them of ugly truths.

I'm hoping this time will be different. I can't recall Japan being quite this forceful with China over anything like this before. Good on them and I hope they keep it up. China defaults to the behavior of a bully far too often. My bet is they back off quickly (albeit noisily) if Japan keeps the pressure on.

56 posted on 05/11/2002 3:36:43 PM PDT by mitchbert
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To: Vigilanteman
You called it spot on, Vigilanteman! The Japanese are quite capable of uncommon valor when cornered. They haven't flinched one iota on the demand to Russia to return the Northern Territories, JFYI.
57 posted on 05/11/2002 3:37:14 PM PDT by Vigilanteman
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To: dinok
"I guess because Italy has the Mafia its a force to be feared in the world? Get real."

No matter how great or small in terms of power, organized crime is always a threat to the established government present. The existence of organized crime is always a dangerous sign that the local government around it is corrupt, because without a corrupt local government, organized crime would never be allowed to flourish.

And by the way, the Mafia is Sicilian and not Italian. Italian organized crime is called the Camorra.

58 posted on 05/11/2002 6:46:33 PM PDT by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: RightWhale, dinok
Well, yes, I actually do know a bit about Traditional and Non-Traditional Organized Crime, both in America and Internationally. I am finishing up a second semester of a year long and intense Organized Crime class, which is taught by a veteran semi-retired FBI Agent who specializes in Traditional and Non-Traditional Organized Crime.

Although Traditional Sicilian and Italian Organized Crime's influence is declining in North America, meaning that it has mainly moved out to the suburbs of big cities, and is not nearly as powerful in either Italy or Sicily, does not mean at all that Non-Traditional Organized Crime is not influential, especially in Asian and Eastern European countries--attempting to compare Italian and Sicilian Organized Crime to Asian Organized Crime is illogical. Chinese Triads and the Japanese Yakuza are very powerful influences in both of these Asian societies. In fact, the Japanese Yakuza tradition dates all the way back to the days of the Samuri warriors and Chinese Triads date all the way back to the Chi'ing Dynasty which started in 1644. I assume that you guys still remember the Chinagate Scandal, did you know that James Raidy, Johnny Chung, and Charlie Trie were all Triads? Are you also aware that Chiang Kai-Check was also a Triad? Triad influence has so pervaded Chinese society that it is practically part of it, the same goes for the Japanese Yakuza.

59 posted on 05/11/2002 7:00:27 PM PDT by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: tlrugit
Wow, this is serious stuff.

Why is no one reporting this here, or am I not paying attention?

60 posted on 05/11/2002 7:53:36 PM PDT by GEC
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