Are You Liberal Or Conservative?

ToogoodReports ^ | May 12, 2002 | Ben Cerruti

[The Giant Apricots]

What is this obsession with when someone signed up???

[tacticalogic]

I would label that libertarianism, not conservatism.

Liberal and conservative are politically relative terms. Terms like libertarian or socialist are absolute. A socialist in the PRC would be considered conservative, for example. In the context of here and now, conservative would imply holding at least some libertarian beliefs.

[Psycho_Bunny]

There's no obsession....it merely helps everyone understand the playing field.

[wardaddy]

I'm guessing he/she is dyed in the wool libertarian.

HOWL!!!!!!!

[tacticalogic]

Faith and tradition are leftwing values?

In context, yes, I believe they are. He's talking about 17th-18th century Europe. Church and State were one. Faith in God and faith in King were inseperable. You worshipped the state as you worshipped God. Sounds like modern day liberalism to me.

[headsonpikes]

"In other words, they are 'conservative', in the generic sense."

People keep forgetting that the ideas behind the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution are revolutionary ideas!

The backward and hidebound 'third world' is intensely 'conservative' of existing social mores and authority structures.

America is a dangerous force in the world because it is, or has been, the most revolutionary state, in a fundamental sense, of modern times.

Let's all join the American Revolution! lol

Now I'll wait for the rumpsprung reactionaries to boil out of their fetid dens. ;^)

[Kevin Curry]

Looking at the WOD through the lens . . .

There's the liberdopian problem in a nutshell. Liberdopians see everything through a pro-dope lens--first, last, and always. It is the defining issue of the liberdopians just as sodomy is the defining issue of gay activists.

Hint: there's a broader, far more interesting and complex world out there that your pro-dope myopia would lead you to believe.

Make no mistake about it: liberdopians are not traditional conservatives. They are self-indulgent brats seeking to hide their socialist tendencies with a figleaf of conservatism.

[Kevin Curry]

So you don't believe it's rational to state that gays kill and maim each other by engaging in willful behavior that spreads vile diseases including AIDS? If it isn't due to their sexual behavior, whose is it due to? AIDS gnomes? Ronald Reagan?

[headsonpikes]

Comes the Revolution, you lot will face some rough justice, I fearlessly predict.

Not that you don't deserve it, mind you. lol!

Leather-licking vassals, such as yourself, may be introduced to new whips to kiss! ;^)

[freeeee]

Actually Kevin, we don't like the methods of the WoD. SWAT teams kicking in people's doors on nightly TV, wiretaps, warrantless searches, seizures without Due Process, the US being the world's biggest jailer, and on and on...

When we see such wide police powers used in outright disregard of the Constitution, when there is not so much as a victim crying "Help, someone did ______ to me", we start to wonder about the nature of our country.

socialist tendencies

You know, we may have our faults but I don't see any collectivism in our camp. Socialism stems from the belief that the group is more important from the individual. Given that, WoD supporters are the socialists in this story.

[Equality 7-2521]

Is this for the good of society or not?

Ah, so you're a socialist.