No, it's a CONSPIRACY!!!
Posted on 05/08/2002 11:12:15 AM PDT by VinnyTex
It must be just a bizarre coincidence your screen names come from the same source.
No, it's a CONSPIRACY!!!
Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.Saul Alinksy
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It is clear you live in an alternative universe. This story has already been dismissed by credible government sources. This thread is the only place where this is being discussed. But I know conspiracy sorts die hard. It's the nature of the beast.
Oh my. This is more serious than I thought.
"Credible Government Sources"
"Credible Government Sources"
"Credible Government Sources"
"Credible Government Sources"?
No matter how many times I write it, say it, or hear it, it makes me laugh myself silly.
The former requires me to accept the reporter's integrity as a given, but without any verifiable backup. Essentially, there is no way to disprove the allegations in this scenario.
The latter is at least based on a person who is named, and is willing to say on the record that the account is BS. If additional documents ever surface indicating that the initial reports were in fact accurate, it's HIS credibility that's shot, and he knows it.
Ultimately, it boils down to he-said/he-said, but one guy is taking a LOT more risk.
True
Bozos who keep getting banned -- you, weishaupt -- are encouraged to stick their little lectures where the sun don't shine.
Oh YES, I feel much better now.
Lots of what you post about Israel uses the same kind of "argument" and "reasoning" that Neo-Nazis and antisemites use all over the web. What I'm talking about is a lot more distinctive of them than anything I said was of Bill Clinton. It's kind of hard to get through life without such phrases as "not a single shred of positive evidence," which apparently just shouts "Bill Clinton" to you. On the other hand, I would think most anyone could get through life without blaming the Jews for antisemitism, justifying it on the basis of crimes "many Jews" have committed, as you have done more than once on this Forum. Here's a particularly fragrant example:
In the 1930s there was a French reaction to Jews. Many of them supported Trotsky and his pogrom against Christians in the Soviet Union. Many support Trotskyite parties in France today. Are French Christians supposed to love people who follow the teachings of a man who tried to wipe them off the face of the earth via an international proletarian revolution? (original post here)
Let's see if we can follow the outline of your hard-headed reasoning, which is of course never clouded by passion or prejudice, like that of the all-powerful and malificent Israel Amen Corner:
The French "had a problem" with Jews in the 1930's, because "many" Jews supported Trotsky and what he was doing to Christians in Russia. Never mind that Trotsky was banished to Kazakhstan in 1928 and deported to Turkey in 1929. More interesting questions would be: "How many Jews supported Trotsky?" Was it most of them? A large minority? Or was it actually only a small minority, whose significance was blown out of proportion by antisemitic newspapers? Doesn't matter, apparently: "many" of them did, and that was why the French had a "problem" with Jews in the 1930's.
All I can say is, how prophetic those Frenchmen who had a "problem" with Dreyfus must have been, to foresee Trotsky's crimes already in 1894, while Trotsky was still in school.
"Many support Trotskyite parties in France today." It would be interesting to see documentation of this. I'm sure some Jews vote for those parties, but the venom against Israel and Zionism is so hateful on the Trotskyite left - something also inherited from the bitter anti-Zionist Trotsky - that it seems unlikely that the Trotskyites have won mass support from Jews.
But let's suppose you're right. Again we might ask, How many Jews support Trotskyite parties? Are they the same Jews whose synagogues have been burned? Or maybe that doesn't matter, since you continue: "Are French Christians supposed to love people who follow the teachings of a man who tried to wipe them off the face of the earth..."
I like that move from "many" to the inclusive "people." Somehow between those two sentences you've gone from "many" Jews to a justifiable refusal of French Christians to love Jews in general. Unless, of course, you have proof that all the Jews who have been the objects of attacks are Trotskyite voters. I won't go into the subject of the strange Bible you and those French Christians must be reading.
So, let's see what we have: "Many" Jews supported Trotsky, who persecuted Christians, in the 1930's. "Many" Jews vote for Trotskyite parties in France today. Jews also joined the demonstrators against Le Pen instead of supporting him as an enemy of immigration. Therefore Christians in France have good reason for not "loving" these "people".
You say that I sound like Bill Clinton. I say that the above sounds like Neo-Nazis all over the web. Now, I don't think that you're a Neo-Nazi. But you do in fact repeatedly engage in the kind of utterly specious "reasoning" displayed in the post cited, which is in fact typical of antisemites.
Blaming the Jews for antisemitism, finding excuses for Jew-haters and Jew-killers because of objectionable things done by "many" Jews, suggesting that these crimes put all Jews beyond the pale of human concern (like the Christians in France can't be expected to "love" Jews - which in context means "give a damn about antisemitic violence" - because "many" vote for Trotskyite parties) - well, LarryLied, old boy, I hate to break it to you, but there really are antisemites, and on this sort of issue they all talk just like you do.
I will now wait resignedly for your utterly predictable response with the utterly predictable howls about persecution, the utterly predictable whiny claims that the Israel lobby is trying to drive you off the Forum, and of course, the utterly predictable lack of any attempt at a rational defence of the indefensible "reasoning" in the post I cited.
What is the game plan? To drive off as many conservatives as you can before the election?
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