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Let's Hear Nothing Of A "Draft" Unless We're Talking About Beer
ToogoodReports ^ | May 8, 2002 | Lee R. Shelton IV

Posted on 05/08/2002 10:33:16 AM PDT by Starmaker

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To: Psycho_Bunny
My opinion was that we had no business in either of those wars, and I would have refused to go.

You enjoy the luxury of being judgemental with 20/20 hindsight due to the sacrifice of those who served. Such clear perspective is seldom available when the need is immediate.

I don't question your sincerity when you claim that you'd volunteer under certain conditions and refuse to serve under others. I simply regard it as immature speculation.

61 posted on 05/08/2002 1:23:30 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Starmaker
The draft is a dangerious reminder that conservite, young males are 3rd class citizens in this country.

Reinstating the draft in this political climate could start a armed CONSERVITITIVE revolt against the government.

63 posted on 05/08/2002 1:29:15 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: one_particular_harbour
I'm telling you I know I did because when I saw it I immediately thought of you. I didn't have one mind you, I just thought of you. LOL. It'll come to me sooner or later. If not, I will just have to hit every bar and tavern I have been at in the last few months to figure it out. I would do that for you, you know. As painful as it would be for me, I am just that nice of a gal.
64 posted on 05/08/2002 1:29:24 PM PDT by riley1992
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To: Willie Green
"I simply regard it as immature speculation."

And I regard your speculation of my integrity and continuity of character, idiotic.

65 posted on 05/08/2002 1:32:37 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: Willie Green
You enjoy the luxury of being judgemental with 20/20 hindsight due to the sacrifice of those who served. Such clear perspective is seldom available when the need is immediate.

Are we to beleive that 'lowly' citizens haven't the intelligence and wisdom to discern a worthy fight, but Kennedy, Boxer, Feinstein, Hillary, etc... do?

66 posted on 05/08/2002 1:37:12 PM PDT by freeeee
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To: wirestripper
And we would be happy to go!

Especially those of us with families on or near the border.

However, some of us exceed the BP's max age, so we also need to raise the age limit.

67 posted on 05/08/2002 1:37:31 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: one_particular_harbour; riley1992
I know where Franziskaner Hefe-Weiss can be had on tap...

It happens to be my favorite pub.

68 posted on 05/08/2002 1:40:12 PM PDT by freeeee
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To: Psycho_Bunny
And I regard your speculation of my integrity and continuity of character, idiotic.

No speculation at all.

I told you up front that I didn't doubt your sincerity.

But your lack of reading comprehension is also indicative of immaturity.

69 posted on 05/08/2002 1:41:41 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: one_particular_harbour; riley1992
Salty Dog Saloon
1712 W. University Ave
Gainesville Florida

If you're ever around, let me know and we'll split a pitcher, or 10.

71 posted on 05/08/2002 1:48:27 PM PDT by freeeee
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To: freeeee
Are we to beleive that 'lowly' citizens haven't the intelligence and wisdom to discern a worthy fight, but Kennedy, Boxer, Feinstein, Hillary, etc... do?

What you are to believe is that when national security is jeopardized, you will seldom have either the information available, nor the luxury of time to render such an evaluation. However, your point does illustrate the importance of selecting more responsible adults as your elected representatives. I can't imagine anybody willingly risking their lives to fulfill the political agenda of the quartet you named.

72 posted on 05/08/2002 2:03:22 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
Couching behind an assurance of "sincerity" doesn't alter or substantially qualify a statement such as yours...it's simply the smoke screen of the sentence.  It's your 'out'.  It's the 'escape clause' of the insult you're about to throw in order to support your position as being superior.

And you used it, too.  Didn't you?  It's an old and unimpressive tactic.  I stopped using it years ago.

And speaking of 'maturity', can being condescending of people you don't know be chalked up into that column?  Or is that simply a different type of immaturity?  Or is it not immature because you're doing it?

It's too bad you're so cheap....because you write very well.

73 posted on 05/08/2002 2:06:32 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: Psycho_Bunny
It's immature because you emotionally fly off the handle at a perceived personal insult rather than consider the point I made about 20/20 hindsight.

Grow up.

74 posted on 05/08/2002 2:19:27 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
What you are to believe is that when national security is jeopardized, you will seldom have either the information available, nor the luxury of time to render such an evaluation.

It doesn't take a hundred years or access to state secrets to know that involvement in regional power struggles, civil wars, meals-on-wheels, and peacekeeping missions isn't national defense of the US.

Case in point: Bosnia. A blind, deaf, 100 year old could tell our involvement there isn't for our national defense, from day one.

While the majority of US military involvement may have to do with United States interests, those ambiguous and never-defined 'interests' and national defense are seldom the same, no matter how much our government would like us to believe they are.

However, your point does illustrate the importance of selecting more responsible adults as your elected representatives.

I believe the point is that dangerous, foolish individuals will always find a chance to wield the power we mistakenly hand the state. Handing the power of conscription to government is akin to "giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys". (Credit given to P.J. O'Rourke)

I can't imagine anybody willingly risking their lives to fulfill the political agenda of the quartet you named.

Conscription removes the ability of the people to make that decision. Conscripts will do whatever they are told, or go to jail.

75 posted on 05/08/2002 2:22:48 PM PDT by freeeee
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To: freeeee
Conscription removes the ability of the people to make that decision.

No. That decision is made at the ballot box.
IMHO, conscription is the sole justification for 18-year-old suffrage.
In fact, due to conscription, I advocate full rights, privileges and responsibilities of adulthood for 18-year-olds... voting, drinking, whatever...
Remove the potential for conscription, and I become a staunch advocate of traditional 21-year-old adulthood.
At 18, the teenagers' heads are too full of adolescent mush to be considered adults.

76 posted on 05/08/2002 2:39:05 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
That decision is made at the ballot box.

Democracy and liberty are often confused. Democracy simply means rule by vote. Liberty means that even in a democracy (or a democratic republic) there are some decisions that the majority cannot make. The decision to sacrifice one's life in a war is one of those decisions.

In other words, your life is your own, and not the property of 51% of the population.

77 posted on 05/08/2002 2:45:42 PM PDT by freeeee
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To: Willie Green
Uh huh.
79 posted on 05/08/2002 2:49:20 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: freeeee
In other words, your life is your own, and not the property of 51% of the population.

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity

80 posted on 05/08/2002 2:56:36 PM PDT by Willie Green
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