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Logical inversions: Many prominent arguments today just don't make sense
WORLD Magazine ^ | 5/11/02 | Gene Edward Veith

Posted on 05/03/2002 9:35:57 PM PDT by Caleb1411

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To: MileHi
In violation of, genius.

So you agree that the Second Amendment is a restriction on Congress?

181 posted on 05/05/2002 11:03:08 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Woahhs
This guy is a poster-boy for the original article on this thread, huh

Yup, and your post seems to have confounded him. My more unsophisticated posts seem to be closer to his level.

182 posted on 05/05/2002 11:05:42 PM PDT by MileHi
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To: Roscoe
You've come up empty handed.

No, but that source sure would take the wind out of my sails...with the included list of cases, if you please.

183 posted on 05/05/2002 11:08:01 PM PDT by Woahhs
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To: Roscoe
So you agree that the Second Amendment is a restriction on Congress?

Of course, and the states as well.

184 posted on 05/05/2002 11:10:02 PM PDT by MileHi
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To: Roscoe
Citeless, sourceless, ad hominem.

Nonsense, go to the search bar and type in "from: Roscoe" and you will have all the supporting material you need.

185 posted on 05/05/2002 11:14:14 PM PDT by MileHi
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To: Woahhs
Looks like a "cut and paste" straight off the ACLU policy page to me.

Tell you what, if you can't support the assertion, retract it, admit it was baseless and sincerely apologize. Then you can have the link.

186 posted on 05/05/2002 11:14:26 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: MileHi
Of course, and the states as well.

Wrong. No cites, naturally.

187 posted on 05/05/2002 11:15:36 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
I see all the reincarnated founders are gathering again.
188 posted on 05/05/2002 11:17:22 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Roscoe
Wrong.

No cites, naturally.

189 posted on 05/05/2002 11:18:10 PM PDT by MileHi
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To: MileHi
No cites, naturally.

Wrong.

"Be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press, or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms; or to raise standing armies, unless when necessary for the defence of the United States, or of some one or more of them; or to prevent the people from petitioning, in a peaceable and orderly manner, the federal legislature, for a redress of their grievances: or to subject the people to unreasonable searches and seizures." -- Samuel Adams, as quoted in UNITED STATES OF AMERICA v. TIMOTHY JOE EMERSON UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS, SAN ANGELO DIVISION, 46 F. Supp. 2d 598, April 7, 1999, Decided

190 posted on 05/05/2002 11:21:11 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: MileHi
No cites, naturally.

"The Second Amendment declares that it shall not be infringed, but this, as has been seen, means no more than that it shall not be infringed by Congress." -- US Supreme Court, U.S. v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542 (1875), Presser v. State of Illinois, 116 U.S. 252 (1886)

191 posted on 05/05/2002 11:23:35 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: MileHi
No cites, naturally.

"To suppose arms in the hands of citizens, to be used at individual discretion, except in private self-defense, or by partial orders of towns, countries or districts of a state, is to demolish every constitution, and lay the laws prostrate, so that liberty can be enjoyed by no man; it is a dissolution of the government. The fundamental law of the militia is, that it be created, directed and commanded by the laws, and ever for the support of the laws." -- John Adams

192 posted on 05/05/2002 11:25:03 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
So what? As I recall the court found that the second affirmed an individual right. Post the part about how states can ignore it if they choose or admit you are a shallow blow hard, one or the other.
193 posted on 05/05/2002 11:25:49 PM PDT by MileHi
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To: Texasforever
I see all the reincarnated founders are gathering again.

If they don't know any law or history, that must entitle them to invent facts as they go along.

194 posted on 05/05/2002 11:27:19 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: MileHi
As I recall the court found that the second affirmed an individual right.

Against state regulation? Sounds more like imagination than memory.

Cite, please.

195 posted on 05/05/2002 11:29:29 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
So what? The courts upheld Jim Crow laws, too. I think they have been turned back since.

Do you work for the Brady Campaign? You do make a good useful idiot.

196 posted on 05/05/2002 11:32:35 PM PDT by MileHi
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To: MileHi
So what? The courts upheld Jim Crow laws, too. I think they have been turned back since.

God I love to see you guys beaten so badly you sputter.

197 posted on 05/05/2002 11:36:34 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Roscoe
Cite, please.

That is the refuge of scoundrals. I invited you to post the part of the case YOU CITED where the court said the states could ignore the law. You can't so you ask me to prove myself wrong. See, you are a self important moron, Roscoe.

198 posted on 05/05/2002 11:36:39 PM PDT by MileHi
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To: MileHi
No facts, no history, no law. Nada.

But it is universally understood, it is a part of the history of the day, that the great revolution which established the constitution of the United States, was not effected without immense opposition. Serious fears were extensively entertained that those powers which the patriot statesmen, who then watched over the interests of our country, deemed essential to union, and to the attainment of those invaluable objects for which union was sought, might be exercised in a manner dangerous to liberty. In almost every convention by which the constitution was adopted, amendments to guard against the abuse of power were recommended. These amendments demanded security against the apprehended encroachments of the general government--not against those of the local governments. -- Barron v. Baltimore, 7 Pet. 243 (1833)

199 posted on 05/05/2002 11:38:44 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Texasforever
God I love to see you guys beaten so badly you sputter.

Beaten? To quote your buddy, cite please.

And BTW, GFYS.

200 posted on 05/05/2002 11:39:20 PM PDT by MileHi
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