Army To Supply 'Morning After' Pill To Female Soldiers (Israel)

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[rmlew]

Israel was founded by Soviet terrorists and wholly self-interested Western globalist elite.

That is odd, considering both the USSR and global corporations have been aiding the Arabs for the past 40-50 years.
The Soviets supported the formation of Israel in the hope that it would become a communist country. It didn't and the Soviets turned against it. Zionism became punishable with imprisonment in communist countries.
Many global corpotrations participated in the Arab boycott of Israel.

It's no wonder that Israel has more in common with soulless capitalist and communist totalitarian than men of God where the dignity of all human life is concerned.

1. Secularists run Israel for the most part. Ironically, anti-Zionists tend to support the secularist lefts' attack on Israel. Hence you find purported right-wingers singing the praises of the Labour and Communist parties on Israel. The hate Israel crowd shows no consistancy.
2. Unfortunately, the accepted interpritation of Jewish law holds that "Before 40 days, the fetus is water."
3. This does show the problems of women in the military.
4. By supporting licentiousness and abortion, the Israeli government is committing suicide. Demographics are bad for Israel and God punishes licentiousness.
5. How is this worse than what goes on in the US?

[Romulus]

In addition, abortion is legal. Here and in Israel. If you disagree with the law that is your problem.

The only part of this that is my problem is that this and other excursions into Jewish baby-killing are made possible with the taxes imposed on me by the US govermment. The hatefulness of this iniquitous murder of children, and the luring of their deluded mothers into tragedy and self-destruction is not a matter of my peculiar tastes or quirky preference; it's a matter of natural law (and reflective of a divine law, in case you care).

The Holocaust was legal -- and apparently it still is.

[Romulus]

Breathlessly awaiting your comments. Don't keep us in suspense.

[Lois]

I thought RU-486 was an aborticant. This other thing is to prevent the fertilization of the egg, so it's not an abortion. Seems to me to be just a chemical "rubber". Please enlighten me.

[vance]

President Bush has stated that sensible people can and do disagree on the matter of abortion. He has pro-choice Republicans in his cabinet. He has no plans to try and overturn Roe v. Wade. He appears to be much more measured and less hysterical on this matter than you do.

[Askel5]

I wouldn't consider it worse that what goes on here at all. Symptomatic of the other ills you bullet-pointed in your excellent post.

I'm aware of the Jewish religious position. I have had long talks with some Jewish friends of mine on the subject. We have to agree to disagree.

I realize the Galileo thing gets beat to death like any good piece of agit-prop but the fact is that the Catholic Church has no abyss between faith and reason and has itself refined its teaching on human life once Science made it crystal clear that the mother adds NOTHING -- save protection and nourishment -- to the child post-conception. There is no "quickening" point at which the conceived life is somehow more than the sum of genetic information intact and clearly defined at the moment of conception.

The Soviets supported the formation of Israel in the hope that it would become a communist country.

I serioulsy doubt this. In becoming a "communist" country, Israel would be of absolutely no use to the Soviets. It's as a means of embroiling the US (particularly on "religious" grounds) and opening a conduit for compromise of intel, military and state department that is the "Israel First" groupthink that Israel has been most valuable to the former Soviets.

I believe the objective intended (as was stated) was to radicalize an arc of militant Islam. Israel serves as an organizing point for both reuniting a disparate Arab world and energizing a heretofore sleeping militantism.

She's a piece of chum, in other words, the expansionist dreams of some of her leaders (like the refusal of the Arab state to take in the Palestinian refugees and be done with it) only playing into the hands of the Soviets by perpetuating a conflict that should long have been over.

This radical arc of Islam serves to sap the United States (who still does indeed seek to play both ends against the middle for its own geo-political and national interest purposes). It helps to buffer both the Chinese (with their additional hunk of Hindu flesh) and the Russians (whose President Putin made an intersting slip of the tongue last year in London when referring to "Russia's Caucasus regions") both of whom enjoy tidy relations with the "Axis of Evil" sorts for whom the build nuclear reactors, supply with missiles, tinker in bio-weapons, etc. etc.

It is this "radical arc of Islam" on which is predicated the need for Big Brother Uncle Sam to come in and provide "security services" along the pipelines he seeks to have a hand in constructing ... despite the question of who will ultimately own and benefit from the actual flow.

With the mirage of Natural Resources always just out of reach and certain Public Servant Portfolio profits gilding the pipedream that is stamping out the terrorism network so carefully cultivated by the Soviets and Chicoms since the 60's, it's doubtful folks have either the time or the inclination to realize what Useful Idiots they are.

[TopQuark]

Explain to me again about this homeland that Jews need so they can be safe and look out for each other.

If this question arises in the present context, only G-d can help you, Romulus. You are acting as a provocateur.

And, incidentally, apply this to the U.S. as well, given that the abortion is legal here. I guess, Americans do not deserve to have a country since they poorly "take care of each other."

[Romulus]

If you seek to impress me by offering the example of a nickname-slinging frat boy, you've got the wrong man. The incoherence of Bush's approach to questions of human life suggest that he's either a moral idiot or an opportunist, deeply cynical over the American public's will and ability to discern.

[jonatron]

Thanks for counting me among the tireless posters of pro-Israel comments.

Well, On this subject, I really have no comment. I personally don't like abortion and I think jews should be encouraged to reproduce, but the IDF is mostly a secular organization. Personally, I don't think women should even be in an Israeli army, but who asked me?

I look at things from a biblical perspective, not the secular Israeli way.

[TopQuark]

Israeli-sanctioned genocide against Jews is okay.

Askel, when I joined FR, one of the first posts I encountered was yours, dealing with some theological issue. What impressed me most was not the substantive part --- it was so far outside my limited knowledge that could not possibly have an opionion about that --- but a careful, very thoughtful form in which you discussed the issue.

Unfotunately, you force me to reconsider that view.

In this particular case, you know perfectly well that this "genocide" is just a different technology for abortion that takes place in this country every day. One could say, therefore, something along the lines, "It is too bad that society is as terrible to the unborn as ours and the rest of the Western world.

Secondly, if I said that abortion in this country is "American-sanctioned" you would take it as personal offense. And very justly so: being against abortion, you do not want to be taked into the same group as those who approve of it or simply do not care. You would probably feel like satying, "Do not speak for me it is my government that sanctioned abortions, I and I strongly disagree with that."

Nevertheless, you did not start your statement by saying, "In Israel, the goevernment-sponsored genocide..." Instead, you buched all Israelis togeher.

Thirdly, you claim that that genocide, to use your term, is OK. How do you know that? Is the abortion OK with you? If some Israeli said that it were OK, you would protest and request to be exluded from the group of those for whom it is OK.

Fourthly and finally, why did you assume that this genocide was directed at Jews or that only they would be affected by the described measure? There are plenty of Arabs serving in the military, the measure did not subdivide the army along religious beliefs or affilitations.

To see it all together, substitute in your statement "Israel" and "Jews" with "America" and "Catholics," say, and apply it to the issue of abortion in the U.S.:

American-sanctioned genocide against Catholics is okay.

Such statement is so factually incorrect that it is silly beyond ridicule.

It would also be offensive to most Americans. But who cares about feelings when you are speaking up agains the genocide? Your ends are just and right, so why care about the means.

If you tell me that these all are merely honest mistakes and making this many of them in just one sentece is the best you could do intellectually, I will take my words back. But the double standard you have applied --- with reckless disregard of even basic fairness --- is a form of anti-Semitism.

Shame on you.

[Askel5]

American-sanctioned genocide against Catholics is okay.

Would you like me to begin proving this has indeed been the case?

[Askel5]

I fail to see how your misimpression that I'm employing some doublestandard as I dog the policies of the STATE of Israel is in any way anti-semitic.

[Askel5]

Killing the issue of Jewish mothers is about the most supreme form of anti-semitism I can imagine.

It is not I who equate the STATE of Israel's policies with the precepts of Judaic faith and tradition.

I do think you are misunderstanding me somewhat and I am happy to apologize for the borderline smart comment. I will have no problems providing substantial back-up for my allegations of state-sanctioned targeted genocide against Catholics, Jews, blacks, Puerto Ricans, Eastern Europeans and other dysgenic undesirables whose "population differentials" alarmed the Wasps who had trouble getting the Right sorts of people to embrace their Reproductive Freedoms.

[TopQuark]

Your reply has not helped your cause. In fact, more misuse and abuse aggravates the isssue:

Killing the issue of Jewish mothers is about the most supreme form of anti-semitism I can imagine.

They abortions are not directed at Jews and are not performed because the babies are Jewish. This is not an expression or a consequence of anti-Semitism at all. This is just like conclusing that a thug, who kills his victim during a robbery, is anti-Catholic, or anti-women, or agian people who weigh 125lb --- just because his victim happens to be a 125lb Catholic woman. Most certainly, in this case you would make such a silly conclusion. But, presently, you are talking about the Jews, so nothing but feelings are aroused in you.

You go even further by declaring that the abortion policies are not only expressions of anti-Semitism but they constitute "the most supreme" of its forms. On your scale of values, it beats gassing to death born babies in the arms of their mothers --- in order to make the world free of Jews altogether.

In most people, anti-Semitism is acquired "through the skin;" that is, inadvertently: jokes, sly remarks directed at Jews eventually accumulate into a negative image.

Not so in your case: when you think of the Jews, your intellect and other factulties that you normally apply in every other context are turned off.

There is no cure for such people.

Since I cannot learn anything from such people either, I shall not write to you again on this or related topics.

[Askel5]

Come on, TopQuark, if you understand ANYTHING at all about population control -- and its most "vital" element, to quote American Republicans -- that is abortion, you know damn well that indeed it is a TARGETED means of genocide.

Israel's support of abortion and birth control -- much less "women in combat boots" -- ought to be your first clue that the STATE of Israel is the anti-semite here, not me.

[Askel5]

Please do not taint me with your fixation on all things Jewish. My fixation in this instance is population control. Where it exposes the inherent cognitive dissonance where the "Homeland" of Jewish souls is concerned, so be it.

(I also have a fixation on good theology -- the sort that comports perfectly with science and in no way sets up some pagan sort of Elect/Reprobate fate into which human beings are sorted. But while I -- like any good Jew -- have my disagreements with Jews, my own faith would hardly be coherent outside the Jewish tradition.)

[Askel5]

Or "absent" the Jewish tradition ... makes more sense.

I certainly do hope you don't stomp off just because I've hit a nerve by finally -- after, what, 4 years of indicting American genocidal policies -- targeted Israel for once.

[ContentiousObjector]

contrary to popular belief the "morning after pill" isn't RU-486,

The morning after pill just triggers menstration before a fertalized egg reaches the uterus, RU-486 causes a mis-cariage later in the pregnancy.

Don't confuse the two, it just makes pro-lifers look like we don't know what we are talking about