Posted on 04/30/2002 10:53:55 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy
There is going to be a special place in hell for these people.
Hopefully Sierra Wasp will expound on this great suggestion of his.
If Sierra Wasp wasn't so shy, you might be able to get him to expound on his creative and nobel idea.
These law suits will hasten the process. These non Christian Predator Homosexuals are like cancer cells in the church, if they are not removed, they will kill the church.
Now the Church must respond and exorcise these demons from the Church, or it will disappear in a decade or less.
Those of us who are not Catholics must stand back and let the Catholics clean up their mess. I believe that they will now.
More like "if" than "when"...IMHO, they have been skirting the issue so far, if the stories about Law going to Rome and the memo about not turning the priests in to the authorities are true. And I was totally outraged when they said that the 6 year old and his parents were equally responsible for the sexual molestation of the 6 year old. I pray that they can weed out the predators, but it seems they are starting off all wrong. If I were Catholic, I would be raising lots of hell over this! They need to make sure they do everything in their power to protect the children instead of their own butts.
Uh, Dave, he read it in some book by some guy who has been calling them RICOnuts for over two years here on FR.
From page 356:
It doesn’t matter if the taking is unconstitutional. It doesn’t matter if the agency lacks jurisdiction. It doesn’t matter if the manner in which the regulations were instituted should be prosecuted under racketeering laws. It doesn’t matter if the nominating bureaucrat misquotes the literature citations. It doesn’t matter if the guy doing the designating is either totally corrupt or a hopeful idiot. It doesn’t matter if there are still increasing numbers of steelhead in the creek, despite the County’s ignorance and heavy-handedness. It doesn’t matter that higher nitrate levels than are optimal for urban drinking water are necessary to support the food supply for fish.From page 374:
When the costs of compliance deprive property of value, the landowner sells. The buyer is often operating as a proxy for those with a profit interest in controlling the use of the property. That loop carries the potential for prosecution for racketeering and fraud.
Good! More good conservatives should get $issed and vent their you know what on the evil doers in our country.
With the Catholic Church, I think that those of us who aren't Catholics need to stand back let them clean their religion up! I believe that they will do it.
However, I recently told a Catholic Friend that if he and his fellow Catholics are not successful in this cleanup. We Episcopalians will have to start a massive church building program for the next two decades to handle the Catholics leaving the Catholic Church just to seat everyone besides having services 24/7 each weekend.
In our church we have seen a small exodus of former Methodists to our church in the past year. The past couple of weekends, we have had some Catholic families in shopping for a new church. Two families filled in a blue card wanting us to follow up with them at home re our church and them becoming future members.
The time may be getting to prime time to follow your suggestions on using the Rico/anti racketeering laws.
I just hope that some conservative lawyers are watching and working on this now.
What was the link again where we can buy that book by that smart guy?
This is one of the reasons that I disagree with so many Bush supporters: We help him when we rail at him not when we sing about how happy we are that he is there. A FReeper (with whom I am unfamiliar else I would credit him) posted a particularly poignant quote on that topic this morning:
Presidents, regardless of party, face constant pressures from the Left -- from the Big Brother government, neofascist, high tax, property-confiscating liberals, from the econazis and global warmists, from the pro-abortionists, from those who are pro-one world and anti-American and from those who advocate cradle-to-grave socialism. (Have I left anyone out?) And, unless there are constant counter-pressures from those on the Right who believe in small government, low taxes, America first and individual liberty, presidents, under Left-wing pressure, tend to drift that way.Bush needs us to rail and scream about why he isn't doing more for property rights. He needs us to bitch at him endlessly for that Kennedy monstrosity he signed as an education bill. He needs us to scream when the Patriot Act violates our civil liberties. If we don't make the noise, we don't help him move the point of compromise.--Lyn Nofziger
Ordinarily, I'd be worried about that, too. But if a settlement can't be reached, and this gets to the 9th circuit judges, I think their dislike of the Catholic church will override their liking of criminals. Personally, I don't think the church will let this go that far. What the church should really be worried about is the possibility of a class action RICO filing that seeks distribution of contributions back to parishioners in addition to huge damages. That could break their piggy bank. Catholic seminaries are not supposed to be homosexual bath houses, and churches are not supposed to be pedophilia rings. Had the church not made representations of moral rectitude in solicitation of funds from parishioners, nobody could accuse them of defrauding their adherents. But they did both and none of it can be whistled back. How ironic that Mahony hails from Hollywood and how sad that this church's negligence and complicity have now classed it among drug-dealing motorcycle gangs, hooded klansmen and mafia kingpins in the eyes of the law.
Or they will have families that are the back bone of the church leaving. I sure that Episcopalians all over America are being asked the same questions by concerned Catholics as my wife, friends and I have been asked in the past few weeks. Some Catholic parents are leaving and coming over and not waiting.
Not all Episcopal Churches aren't without problems. Our Bishop a former catholic priest has been on top of this issue since he became Bishop. We had a problem arise in one of our churches a few years ago. The Priest was releaved of all duties immediately when the Bishop found out the situation. This priest was a predator and was fired as an Episcopal priest by our Bishop. Then, our Bishop gathered all of his priests, canons, curates and deacons and told them that if any complaint arose, they would be suspended immediately. If they were guilty of a predatory sex crime, he would help put them into prison. Before any priest/curate or deacon is hired, they must submit to an extensive and expensive background check. If there are any questions re aberant sexual behavior, they are not hired.
God's forgiveness does not absolve civic or civil accountability for their actions.
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