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Vatican reaches out to Islamic world (well, they've come to the right place)
BBC ^ | 4/29/2002 | David Willey

Posted on 04/29/2002 6:58:13 PM PDT by a_Turk

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To: My Identity
Nice.Compare Islamic terrorism to the Inquistion. How about we compare it to Marxism instead? Has more in common with that than it does with the Catholic Church. Oh..but we can't do that...too many socialists around today supported genocide in the Soviet Union. Better to, when we want to make a point, compare abject evil to Christian history.
41 posted on 04/29/2002 10:15:17 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied
Nice. Pull out quotes from individuals to smear an entire religion.

Uh, Larry, the "individuals" on the list are the religious leaders and the heads of countrys. Do you want quotes from the Koran too? I got plenty about how Allah commands his followers to subjugate their neighbors with war and torture the captives. But I will spare you, for I suspect you are sitting at your keyboard with your fingers in your ears yelling "neiner, neiner, neiner, I can't hear you". Wake up Larry, it is your head on the chopping block.

42 posted on 04/29/2002 10:16:04 PM PDT by American in Israel
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To: history_matters
I believe Cardinal Arinze must be one of the odds on favorites -- papabile -- for our next Pope.

You are absolutely correct. Arinze WILL be the next Pope.

43 posted on 04/29/2002 10:18:30 PM PDT by berned
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To: LarryLied
Hey! Assuming you had your sarcasm tag on, I agree!!
44 posted on 04/29/2002 10:18:44 PM PDT by My Identity
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To: Titus Fikus
Those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
And how many times have the Jews lost Jerusalem?

And how many nations that were the world powers of their day were completely destroyed after attacking Jerusalem? Remember Edom, Moab, Philistines, Cush, the Assyrians the Babylonians, the Egyptians? (not the arabs calling themselves Egyptians there now...) This is just the short list. Every one was destroyed, every single one. Even the Roman Empire collapsed after Jerusalem. Yep, been there, done that, forgot to buy the t-shirt apparently...

45 posted on 04/29/2002 10:25:26 PM PDT by American in Israel
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To: American in Israel
I'll take Turkey over Israel any day of the week as an ally. Turkey fought with us in the Cold War. Turks did not fire bomb US facilities in Egypt, attack an America ship and have a Pollard whose spying enabled the Kremlin to get top secret information.

Try all you want to make most Muslims hate Americans as much as they hate Jews. It won't work. In fact, pushing too much is counterproductive. Americans are tolerate but do get fed up after a while when outsiders mess in our affairs.

46 posted on 04/29/2002 10:47:38 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied
Try all you want to make most Muslims hate Americans as much as they hate Jews

Where we differ Larry, is that you take comfort in that, and I don't. I guess I have a more catholic view of this. No man is an island. We must resist evil where ever it exists, to the extent we reasonably can. It is what gives our life a larger moral meaning.

47 posted on 04/29/2002 10:52:04 PM PDT by Torie
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To: a_Turk
Somehow the Vatican and the Turks being friendly does not strike me as a good thing.

Perhaps we really should move the Ecumenical Patriarchate to that tract of land outside Washington, D.C.

48 posted on 04/29/2002 11:25:14 PM PDT by The_Reader_David
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To: LarryLied
You seem to think so. Please tell us why you have come to that conclusion.
49 posted on 04/29/2002 11:31:30 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: a_Turk
I love Turkey and the Turks. Americans don't appreciate Turkey enough because most Americans just don't know much about other countries. But people who know, know.
50 posted on 04/30/2002 12:44:08 AM PDT by noirgirl
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To: LarryLied
Ehrenburg and Zinoviev were Communists and I presume atheists. They can't be cited to represent the teachings of Judaism, since they don't subscribe to it. But religious authorities in the Islamic world do represent the teachings of Islam in the world today (however wrong their interpretation might be).
51 posted on 04/30/2002 12:48:05 AM PDT by noirgirl
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To: a_Turk

52 posted on 04/30/2002 12:55:32 AM PDT by The Great Satan
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53 posted on 04/30/2002 1:00:04 AM PDT by The Great Satan
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To: berned; Askel5; history_matters
"Cardinal Arinze has been establishing connections where one would think it impossible. His successful meeting in Tripoli, Libya still boggles my mind. I believe Cardinal Arinze must be one of the odds on favorites -- [papable] -- for our next Pope." - history_matters

Regarding your misguided hope for Cardinal Arinze's ascendancy to the seat of Peter, I will pray the Holy Ghost will intervene to the contrary. Arinze's vatican 2 blather with heathens should be only for the sake of redeeming their souls. Rather, he walks in the religiously stumbling footsteps of a pretender who while on his trip to India mocked the religion he says he represents by publicly permitting a Brahman red dot placed on his forehead - all in an ongoing attempt to embrace the suicidal Trojan Horse flying under the banner of that cardinal abomination called "INCLUSION".

John 10:30 "I and my Father are one."
John 15:23 "He that hateth me hateth my Father also".
Mat 12:30 "He that is not with me is against me"

"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. - Mark 16:15 -16

I contend the likes of Cardinal Arinze would deny the instruction God has given by substituting a rational born in hell - attempting to equate the false gods of the world with the Trinity. A blasphemy arguing adoration of animal and other false gods not unlike our adoration of Jesus Christ and the Blessed Virgin.

Mat 12:37 "For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned".

54 posted on 04/30/2002 2:55:09 AM PDT by Robert Drobot
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To: Robert Drobot
So are you a member of the SSPX or are you perhaps a sedevacantist?
55 posted on 04/30/2002 5:52:52 AM PDT by history_matters
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To: LarryLied
Make every Muslim in the world hate Americans as much as they hate Jews? Is that the goal?

They already do.

56 posted on 04/30/2002 5:56:30 AM PDT by gcraig
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To: ellery
A radical segment of the Islamic faith is trying to hijack the whole religion.

I think you're right. And wasn't it the cooperation of Muslim countries a few years ago that helped turn back the wildest "reproductive rights" contingent in the U.N.?

57 posted on 04/30/2002 5:56:58 AM PDT by maryz
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To: history_matters
Pray tell. Whatever did I ever write to cause you to ask?
58 posted on 04/30/2002 7:47:10 AM PDT by Robert Drobot
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To: Robert Drobot
The view express with regard to Cardinal Arinze has a certain affinity with opinions expressed by those groups.

In brief, I would offer that your view reads as both very sincere as well as devoted to Jesus Christ, but I believe you are misreading of the Cardinal's efforts and the Holy Father's geopolitical understanding -- an understanding which sees the need of religious people of whatever faith to have a relationship so together they can fight the atheistic juggernaut of the UN and EU.

59 posted on 04/30/2002 7:51:28 AM PDT by history_matters
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To: GOPcapitalist
what it truly is. A heresy
If terrorists pass judgement upon you, then why should you not judge me?
60 posted on 04/30/2002 3:11:27 PM PDT by a_Turk
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