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.50-caliber ban defeated in California
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | 25 April 2002 | Jon Dougherty

Posted on 04/25/2002 7:33:48 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican

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To: PatrioticAmerican;Jolly Rodgers; blackie; ATOMIC PUNK
Water cooled RULES!
121 posted on 04/26/2002 6:00:12 PM PDT by rockfish59
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To: PatrioticAmerican
Think how much more dangerous the streets will be. You and I both know how popular the .50 cals are with the criminals. I bet there is a list of statics showing how many car-jackings and liquor store holdups occur with perps using the lightweight and easily concealable .50s. As well as the cheap and readily obtainable ammo.--SARCASIM
122 posted on 04/26/2002 6:05:12 PM PDT by mn_b_one
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To: mn_b_one
lmao
123 posted on 04/26/2002 7:04:45 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: Ajnin
Good old General Sedwick. His last words were,"They can't hit an elephant at this distance". True story. The only problem was that they weren't trying to hit elephants.
124 posted on 04/26/2002 8:08:19 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: mdittmar
Post 116. Sounds nice. I bought mine after watching Quigley and it was on a table at a gunshow with no price. I couldn't believe that I could buy it for less than $600. It really doesn't cost anything to ask and dikker for a while. I had a guy hit me in the back on my spine when I told someone else that I wasn't sure about a fantastic, wonderful price. The guy who hit me thought I was going to pass on it. I was trying not to laugh so I was chewing on my tongue. The spine hit stopped me from laughing.
125 posted on 04/26/2002 8:15:00 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: mdittmar
"Automatic Revolver?

Yep. I can't tell what it is because there's only fifteen left and I don't have a credit card so the payment is going snail mail. I can't blab about what it is because the next thing I would know is that a message board that has 80,000 members may make me miss out but I have to tell someone because it's so cool. Ping me in a couple of weeks and I'll give a vanity report.

Uh, OK. It's not a Webley-Fosbery.

126 posted on 04/26/2002 8:20:52 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: gc4nra
Don't feel sorry for us, support us and pray for us.

Thanks for the bump, post, and all of your hard work gc;-)

127 posted on 04/26/2002 9:46:55 PM PDT by HangFire
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To: Shooter 2.5
It's not a Webley-Fosbery.

Is it a XYTHOS?

128 posted on 04/26/2002 10:51:42 PM PDT by Jolly Rodgers
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To: tpaine
Those who can do, those who can't rant.

Congratulations to those who can.

129 posted on 04/27/2002 12:37:15 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Jolly Rodgers
"Is it a XYTHOS?

No. I'll put your name on a list to ping you later when the pistol,{?} revolver,{?} gun arrives.

130 posted on 04/27/2002 6:28:25 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: gc4nra;conserve-it
"No, although I am a member of the Liberty Belles, (I'm the one with the beard) I am speaking for myself."

Fair enough.
(BTW; isn't, "the beard" a mob term? {g})

"Look, you elected to leave, I however would rather stay and fight."

No.
You've got me all wrong; I never lived in CA, per se.
Only lived in CA for a bit over a year & even then, I was in northern CA.
NOT even remotely similar to where you're located.

"I just get sick of all the California bashing. New York, New Jersey, D.C., Massachusetts, Illinois and Maryland all have gun laws just as odious as CA's."

Yes; which only serves to show how successful the Leftist bastards have been in disarming us, incrementally over the past several decades; so, they may waltz right in & ??.
At least, that's the way I see it.

The people of CA have an even more serious problem right now, IMO.
Which just so happens was the reasoning behind any statement I made to you; regarding the wisdom of leaving that state?
Moreover, I have to believe this *problem* CA's experiencing was & is the A#1 motivation behind those you know & have known who've already elected to flee CA.
You know that, too.

"Eventually if we all keep bailing, all the Constitutionalists will be huddled in Idaho!"

Maybe they/we all will, gc.
Fact is?
I've heard of some mighty assinine PC crap coming outa Idaho too, of late; so, I'm not sure Idaho's going to provide any kind of refuge from those seeking relief.
Not unless one desires to become some kind of, "Mountain Man."
Which I gotta say, will most certainly be a tough row to hoe for those of us coming from metropolitan areas, in any event.
Shittin in a hole, out in the cold & wet, doesn't do a *thing* for me.
I had enough of that bullcocka in the military, thank you.

Be advised: *I* don't have any answers to the horrible situation(S) that're festering & brewing out there in CA; not even one.
But I can see the *problem(s)* -- very clearly -- nonetheless.

Here's what I do know:
It isn't called bravery when one fails to recognize they're outnumbered; & yet?
Elects to waste their life fighting a battle which is in reality, a lost cause.
gc?
One who does something so foolish is called, a fool; & in many cases, they're wind-up a dead fool, at that.

IF I ever run from a fight?
It'd be solely because I was able to quickly & accurately assess I've poor odds of winning; and, I have a choice in the matter.

I'd rather you said of me, "There he goes," than, "There he lays." ~eh?
But I just gotta tell ya gc, I'll be watching -- quietly & safely from afar -- for those odds of mine to improve in my favor; &, when they do and, at a time of my choosing?
...I'll be back.

I am not your ememy; nor you, mine.
That, is the bottom line.

131 posted on 04/27/2002 9:21:47 AM PDT by Landru
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To: Ajnin;Shooter 2.5
Billy Dixon Battle of Adobe Walls

The second day after the initial attack, fifteen warriors rode out on a bluff nearly a mile away to survey the situation. Some reports indicate they were taunting the Adobe Walls defenders but, at the distance involved, it seems unlikely. At the behest of one of the hunters, Billy Dixon, already renowned as a crack shot, took aim with a 'Big Fifty' Sharps {it was either a .50,.70 or .90, probably the latter} he'd borrowed from Hanrahan, and cleanly dropped a warrior from atop his horse. This apparently so discouraged the Indians they decamped and gave up the fight.

Two weeks later a team of US Army surveyors, under the command of Nelson A. Miles, measured the distance of the shot: 1,538 yards, or nine-tenths of a mile. For the rest of his life, Billy Dixon never claimed the shot was anything other than a lucky one; his memoirs do not devote even a full paragraph to 'the shot'.

Sergeant Grace, 4th Georgia Infantry

On 9 May, 1864 a confederate sniper took what was to be considered an incredible shot at that time. During the Battle of Spotsylvania, Sgt. Grace of the 4th Georgia Infantry, took aim and fired at a distant Union officer. Grace was using a British Whitworth target rifle and the distance was 800 yards. Grace's target, Major General John Sedgwick, fell dead after uttering the words "Why, they couldn't hit an elephant at this dist...". Sedgwick's death resulted in a delay of the Union attack which in turn gave General Robert E. Lee the edge he needed to win the day at Spotsylvania.

Timothy Murphy, Battle of Saratoga.

Morgan's Kentucky Riflemen On 7 October, 1777, Timothy Murphy, a rifleman in Morgan's Kentucky Riflemen shot and killed General Simon Fraser of the British army. Murphy was said to have taken the shot at roughly 500 yards. He was using the renowned Kentucky rifle. Fraser was leading a recon in force against the rebellious colonists at Bemis Heights in New York. As a result of Fraser's death, the recon failed. This had a direct impact on the overall battle, leading to the British defeat. The Battle of Saratoga was considered one of the turning points of the War for Independence.

Col. Patrick Ferguson, British Army

Patrick Ferguson was a leading developer of breech loading firearms. The Ferguson Rifle was considered at the time to be one of the most deadly weapons in the British inventory. Ferguson's second claim to fame was the "Shot Never Taken." As a Major, Ferguson found himself in position to make a shot on an unidentified Continental officer near Germantown Pennsylvania. When the man turned away at approximately 125 yards, the good major chose not to shoot him in the back. That man turned out to be none other than General George Washington. Had Ferguson taken the shot one can assume that the entire history of what is today the United States would have been affected. Recall it was Washington who turned down the offer to be King of the Colonies after the successful resolution of the War for Independence. Had he not been in charge of the Colonial forces, not only would the outcome of the war have been in question, but so would the very nature of the Republic which rose from that conflict. Ironically, Patrick Ferguson was later killed on 7 October of 1780 when a member of Morgan's Kentucky Riflemen shot him at approximately 450 yards. As a result, Ferguson's unit surrendered which forced Gen. Cornwallis to abandon his invasion of North Carolina. The loss was doubly hurtful to the British cause, since they had lost one of their premier weapons designers.

These guys were good.

133 posted on 04/27/2002 9:49:37 AM PDT by mdittmar
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To: mdittmar
On the third day a party of about fifteen Indians appeared on the edge of the bluff, east of Adobe Walls Creek and some of the boys suggested that I try the "big 50" on them. The distance was not far from seven eights of a mile. A number of exagerated accounts have been written of this incident. I took careful aim and pulled the trigger. We saw an Indian fall from his horse. The others dashed out of sight behind some timber. A few moments later, two Indians dashed out on foot to where the Indian lay, seized his body and scurried for cover. They had risked their lives, as we frequently observed, to rescue a comrade who might not be only wounded but dead. I was admittedly a good marksman, yet this was what might be called a "scratch" shot. From Billy Dixon's biography, The Life of Billy Dixon by Olive K. Dixon.

I highly recommend this book. Olive chased her husband around their ranch with a notebook just in case he started reminiscing. This is the only source of the real story that was made. It's by State House Press. Austin Texas and I bought it at the Texas Ranger Museum in Waco.

134 posted on 04/27/2002 10:22:09 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: Landru
" am not your ememy; nor you, mine. That, is the bottom line."

Well stated and very true.
135 posted on 04/27/2002 10:25:02 AM PDT by conserve-it
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To: Shooter 2.5
Thanks,I'll get it.

You may want to check out this author if you have any interest in the "Indian Wars".

A great read.

136 posted on 04/27/2002 10:31:30 AM PDT by mdittmar
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To: Shooter 2.5
P.S.,great series on the "Mountain Men",also.
137 posted on 04/27/2002 10:40:43 AM PDT by mdittmar
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To: daffyduck
I have a Sprinfield Armory 10x. I want the Nightforce 12-42x shown here:

Nightforce

138 posted on 04/27/2002 11:45:22 AM PDT by Henchster
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To: PatrioticAmerican
Well, I'm off to go buy a lottery ticket. Too many things this week have really surprised me. I've gone a week without being pissed off, I have a convention to go to, and... Well, This happens. Either God is getting ready to throw me a curve, or, the end is nigh.
139 posted on 04/27/2002 12:26:35 PM PDT by MadRobotArtist
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To: mdittmar
Awsome stories. Just goes to show what one good rifleman can do.
140 posted on 04/27/2002 1:49:16 PM PDT by Ajnin
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