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Founders Speak Out
Personal Archives | 04-21-02 | PsyOp

Posted on 04/21/2002 12:15:56 PM PDT by PsyOp

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No Paine, No Gain!
1 posted on 04/21/2002 12:15:56 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: Marine Inspector; infowars; 2Trievers; sleavelessinseattle; Righty1; twyn1; mountaineer...
Consider yourselves bumped.
2 posted on 04/21/2002 12:22:13 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: PsyOp
Great compilation!

Booked & Bumped!

3 posted on 04/21/2002 12:39:17 PM PDT by StriperSniper
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To: PsyOp
bttt
4 posted on 04/21/2002 12:52:04 PM PDT by Fish out of Water
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To: Maelstrom
Here are some quotes that will probably be more to your liking. Regards, PsyOP
5 posted on 04/21/2002 1:33:50 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: PsyOp
The ground of liberty is to be gained by inches. - Thomas Jefferson, to Reverend Charles Clay. 1790.

Purchased by the inch and sold by the yard.

6 posted on 04/21/2002 2:05:09 PM PDT by humbletheFiend
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To: PsyOp
The above quotes contain many truths.
7 posted on 04/21/2002 2:13:07 PM PDT by 2nd_Amendment_Defender
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To: PsyOp
I love it. Thanks for the quotes!
8 posted on 04/21/2002 2:56:38 PM PDT by serinde
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To: PsyOp
Thanks for the bump. I was just reading Adams and noted that he spoke in his very concise and abbreviated inaugural address on a public education.

Here I see Jefferson very strong on education and Washington in his first Administration made public education a priority...so, why is it that so many Freepers argue we shouldnt have a public education system, with it so prominent in several key Founding Fathers speeches, Administrations, and clearly in their intents?

9 posted on 04/21/2002 4:22:37 PM PDT by rbmillerjr
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To: PsyOp
I also believe General Washington said this:

"The most effectual means of securing the peace is being prepared for war."

Other statements like this have been made by Cicero, Aristotle and others.

The earliest was a pre-Socratic philosopher whose name escapes me...

"To secure peace is to be prepared for war." (It's also in a Metallica song entitled "Don't Tread on Me.")

10 posted on 04/21/2002 5:22:33 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Metallica, playing in the now defunct Soviet Union, will always be a classic image of freedom subtlely seeping in to the tastes of Soviet youths mouths.
11 posted on 04/21/2002 5:32:32 PM PDT by rbmillerjr
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To: rbmillerjr
so, why is it that so many Freepers argue we shouldnt have a public education system.

Our founders were all very much in favor of public education and its most vigorous proponent was Benjamin Franklin, who also pushed forward the idea of public libraries - having formed the first of them himself and at his own expense. The reason they were for it was becasue of the european and English class systems which kept most people from gaining any formal education, and which the founders felt was a major reason why tyranny and monarchy was able to flourish.

Universal education at the public expense was seen as an insurance policy for liberty. The more educated the people, the longer the fledgling republic they fought so hard to establish would last. Also, in their day, all control over what was taught rested in the community which the school served. If teachers were found to be ineffective, incompetent, or teaching things which the community at large felt ran contrary to the interests of the community, they could be removed without much fuss.

Fast forward 200 years. The principle is still sound, but it has become understood, especially by people with agendas, that the school is the best place to foster their ideas and propagandize the next generation - rather than just teach them how to read, write, add and think for themselves. Add to that the advent of teachers unions, tenure, and a dozen other factors that limit direct parental involvement in their children's education, and you have a situation in which the public schools that were seen by our founders as the vanguard of our liberties are now working, in many cases, towards their destruction.

The movement away from todays public schools can be seen as an attempt to return to what those schools used to be. Returning control of what children are taught back to the parents. A movement that has been driven by the unwillingness of school boards and administrations - protected by unions, tenure and federal intrusion - to listen to the people they are supposed to serve. IMHO.

12 posted on 04/21/2002 6:38:43 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: humbletheFiend
Purchased by the inch and sold by the yard.

And a free night in the Licoln bedroom if you buy a gross. Thanks for the great quote. I'll add it to the data-base.

13 posted on 04/21/2002 6:41:16 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: rbmillerjr; Sir Francis Dashwood
Thanks guys. But I don't think I'll be posting a Metallica Quote thread anytime soon. Regardless of their musical contribution to the Cold War.
14 posted on 04/21/2002 6:44:04 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: PsyOp
Thanks guys. But I don't think I'll be posting a Metallica Quote thread anytime soon. Regardless of their musical contribution to the Cold War.

LOL, you mean we cant lump Metallica with Reagan and the Pope in relation to their contributions to bringing down the evil empire?

15 posted on 04/21/2002 7:11:12 PM PDT by rbmillerjr
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To: rbmillerjr
You can lump them togather all you want, I just don't intend to quote them. Now, if you get the Pope and Reagan to sing a Metallica duet to Gorby, I'll reconsider.
16 posted on 04/21/2002 7:57:24 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: rbmillerjr
Some modern heavy rock is really great.

Although I grew up with stuff like Metallica, Public Enemy, etc.

I still prefer the oldies like J.J. Cale, John Lee Hooker, etc...

My favorite radio station can be heard on the internet: KPIG, Freedom, California. 107(oink)5 FM. I like Ramblin' Rory in the late weekday afternoons. Give 'em an squeal. If you need to oink, make a "hog call" @ 831-724-pork (warning: anything you say can and will be heard on the air).

The most eclectic mix of rock, blues, country, bluegrass and comedy you have ever heard (the commercials are hilarious).

17 posted on 04/21/2002 9:04:05 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood
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To: rbmillerjr
Is that "JOHN ADAMS" by McCullough? I loved that book(and John Adams).I remember reading some reviews of the book and one said that if Washington was the father of the nation,then Adams was the 'midwife.' I sure hope that after all of this time,the nation will honor him with a memorial.It's hard to believe that there's no monument to him.
18 posted on 04/21/2002 9:09:15 PM PDT by Lady In Blue
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To: PsyOp
Will you plese slow down the posting of all this great stuff for those of us that have to work. I want to get an A on my final exam......ROTF. HERE I AM READING THIS AT 10 ON SUNDAY NIGHT. YOU SHOW NO MERCY. HAVE YOU EVER MET PROFESSOR CAULFIELD????
19 posted on 04/21/2002 9:28:37 PM PDT by conserve-it
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To: conserve-it
I don't take prisoners either. Go do your homework. The last thing I want on my conscience is your academic demise. That's what the bookmarks are for. P.S. Good Luck on the test.
20 posted on 04/21/2002 10:52:23 PM PDT by PsyOp
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