Now The Authoritarians Demand We Bid Farewell To Ronald McDonald

ToogoodReports ^ | April 21, 2002 | Vin Suprynowicz

[Cboldt]

Tobacco, in moderation, has been reported to reduce health problems too.

[Willie Green]

Yes, those evil libertarians are just plain evil for trying to put the reponsibility for people not becoming dumbed down back on the people themselves instead of on the government.

Yep. "Personal responsibility" is just a ruse spewed forth by the extremists who advocate total abolition of public schools. It's a totally irresponsible position. So I suppose you could call it "evil".

[Nate505]

Afterall, Ronald McD is one of their own: a real clown, not a true conservative!

Who is Pat Buchanan? Grimice? A Fry Guy? Too bad he'll never become Mayor McCheese...

[Grampa Dave]

If anyone wants to finance eco terrorism to inflict economic terrorism on rural Americans, the new BK PETA peat moss non burger thing is a great way to finance PETA. (link).

Or you can just send donations directly to PETA so that they can finance eco terrorism viat their buds ELF/ALF and other anarchists they fund.

[mouse_35]

The vending machines are in additon too, not in place of, tray meals, at least in my district. As far as I know, all public schools have to offer a balanced meal that meets FDA guidelines because of the free/reduced lunch programs. I don't see a problem having the vending machines along with that. If other parents want to let their kids have $2.00 a day to eat junk food out of the machines instead of having a tray meal, that is their choice. I don't approve, but neither I nor the food nazis should have a say in it.

[Benson_Carter]

please explain how you can compare junk food, banning dodge ball, and libertarians.

or, as the article says, have you run out of real battles to fight with libertarians so now you'll just run around blaming them for everything.

[Eagle Eye]

IMHO, libertarian philosophy has eroded traditional conservative values.

That would make libertarians more pwerful and influential than conservatives, wouldn't it?

We've had threads trying to get Conservatives to define themselves and those threads go stale quickly because Conservatives have a hard time defining themselves. They spend more time being anti-libertarian than pro conservative.

In fact, on many Conservative issues like the IRS, the second amendment, Social Security, and small government, libertarians are far more 'conservative' than the mainstream conservatives.

The biggest rub comes in areas of individual control. I'm not sure if conservatives really believe in letting the individual make choices for himself (aka Freedom) or if they believe that governmental control is best. I see both arguments from conservatives. Conservatives have a tendency to want to make public policy out of their religious views. I can understand their desires and their motivations, but I don't agree that that is a good idea.

Conservatives seem to think alcohol is ok because it is legal but marijuana is bad because it is illegal but gambling is no longer immoral because it is now legal. Of course, conservatives only use alcohol in moderation and never abuse it and never, ever use marijuana, right?

IMHO, conservatives have a very hard time defining themselves AND showing consistency with what they say and what they do, justifying contradictions with political expediency talk.

IMO, principles are non-negotiable, methods to those priciples can be.

[gridlock]

I always found that tobacco, in moderation, would help keep me awake and on the road when driving late at night. Better to be inhaling smoke than running into a tree, IMHO. One will kill you eventually, and one will kill you real quick. I don't do that any more, mostly because my job no longer requires me to drive late at night.

[RepoGirl]

That's an excellent point. You chose the personal boycott route. I stopped shopping at KMart after her attack on Tom Selleck--but really, I never went in there unless I could help it. I'm a Tar-Jay girl, all the way.

The lifestyle nazis are convinced that all of us great unwashed mouth breathers (especially hubby Big Guy) just be too stupid to figure out what's best for us, so they selflessly LET US KNOW. So rather than just say, themselves, I choose not to eat the triple cheese burgers (that are made from tasty dead animals and cheese products... mmmmm... cheese...) they choose not to--but attempt to make us choose as well. It's all in our best interests, you understand. They're doing it for the children... and all'a us smelly, knuckle dragging mouth breathing butt scratchers as well.

Let's hear it for the lifestyle nazis. We can have all the unprotected deviant sex we want--kill all the babies we can spout out-- BUT G*D HELP US IF WE WANT TO EAT AT WENDY'S. (Mmmmmm.... Wendy's...)

Really, we should be thanking them.

< / extreme sarcasm>

Repogirl... who is now contemplating SUPER SIZING a Wendy's value meal (with a biggie iced tea with lemon... hey-- I biked fifteen miles yesterday on the West Orange trail... I deserve it...)

[CubicleGuy]

"Personal responsibility" is just a ruse spewed forth by the extremists who advocate total abolition of public schools. It's a totally irresponsible position. So I suppose you could call it "evil".

No, what's irresponsible is for one group of neighbors who want to pay for schooling for their own kids to gang up on another set of neighbors who either have no kids needing an education, or whose kids are already being educated on their own dime, by forcing a property tax on them so that other people's kids will be (questionably) educated.

No, that's worse than being irresponsible: that's outright theft.

[gridlock]

I don't like vending machines in schools because to a student, everything in the school building has the direct approval of the school. To put a vending machine in there selling candy bars and soda means that the school is approving of candy bars and soda. If the school didn't approve of it, they would ban it along with everything else that is banned in schools.

Plus the schools have a perverse insentive, because they get a kick back from the vending machine company that is based on the amount of junk that is sold in the machines. Schools should not be given a profit motive to encourage kids to eat junk food.

[CubicleGuy]

We've had threads trying to get Conservatives to define themselves and those threads go stale quickly because Conservatives have a hard time defining themselves.

I've repeatedly asked conservatives to say what principles, exactly, define conservatism, and nobody to my recollection has attempted it yet. Their positions on issues are so inconsistent, it's impossible to define their principles. The lack of principles causes the inconsistent positions.

[honeymagnolia]

Well spoken. I doubt seriously if many conservatives could handle the freedom of pure libertarianism.

[MarkL]

You've got to love the way that most European countries have banned the advertising of any cigarettes... The L&M Ducati World Superbike Racing team That big L&M logo on the side of the bike is often replaced by a big white circle!

Mark

P.S. Go Ben Bostrom!

[MarkL]

Check out the veggie & cheese quesadillas at Chillis too! Although I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain for a salad, it's a nice change of pace!

Mark

[samm1148]

The comparison being made is not in the dangers, or lack thereof of particular products. The comparison is to the tactics being used by these self proclaimed guardians of our health. Cigarettes are indeed dangerous as the anti-smoking Nazis contend they are. But rather than ban them the greedy Federals and their state lackeys tax them endlessly to fill their coffers. Fast food will go the same way. Say goodbye to cheap Big Macs Sheople.

[Willie Green]

please explain how you can compare junk food, banning dodge ball, and libertarians.

Common element: clowns.

I thought that was fairly evident in my post.

[L.N. Smithee]

About two months ago, I went into the Burger King here, and standing in line at the counter was this huge (must have been 350+ lbs) woman and her three incredibly morbidly obese kids, ordering piles and piles of Whoppers, fries and milkshakes. If you could put it back together, there was an entire cow on those trays.

I am so tired of people using genetics as an excuse for their obesity. I have known many "morbidly obese" people -- most of them with no other character flaws -- who quite simply EAT A WHOLE DANG LOT. I have discovered throughout my life that if you presume that "morbidly obese" people are "big-boned" or cursed with untold inborn metabolism problems, you will change your mind after watching them eat lunch.

By stating the above, I am not suggesting that I am not one of that number. According to the Feds' recently revised standards, I crossed the line from "overweight" to "obese" without gaining a ounce.

[tet68]

Ronald McDonald.........banned in Cairo!

[Eagle Eye]

Thank you and welcome to FR. Anyone who praises my words must be insightful and gifted.
(is that layed on too thick?)