Posted on 04/17/2002 1:58:35 PM PDT by M 91 u2 K
When men are raised by the single women they often turn more aggressive and too masculine. The crime rate grows and on the higher level the dictatorial male personalities take over the power in society(Adolf Hitler did not have father around to set the limits).
The nature has its ways.
Sorry, I just think that blaming a magazine for these events is silly, and confuses the disease with one of its symptoms. There were pin-ups in Police Gazette at the turn of the 20th century. I remember a gag (that I didn't 'get' but understood to be one of those mysterious adult jokes) on a TV sitcom that revolved around the pictures in Esquire. I don't think Playboy even existed then.
I submit that this stuff was already on its way for other reasons, and that Hefner just happened to be the guy who showed up at the right time to make money from it. That makes him a visible target for critics, but to attribute a sea change in public morality to some pipe-smoking libertine in Chicago is giving him too much credit. The country was ready for Hefner when he showed up. Had he come by with the same magazine a decade earlier, no one today would even know his name; he'd be a blip in the Cook County bankruptcy records.
Harrison Bergeron: "If you were of age to watch the news on TV in the early 1970's. you would have seen your share of this silly form of protest. It was a takeoff on the leftist draftcard burnings of the 1960's. As for the crack about double identities, Jim Robinson runs a clean, organized, and well moderated site here... those kind of shenanigans don't float."
And yes, the radical brands of feminism are deeply rooted in the Marxist model of a capitalistic oppressor class (men) and a victim class (women) seeking redistribution of said oppressor class's wealth. So far, feminism has been the most successful Marxist graft over the American body politic, moreso than unionism or pacifism or even the anti-private property factions of environmentalism.
SpyderTim: "Finally, I'd be interested if posters would share their definitions of the term "feminism." I think that should sufficiently stimulate further debate.
Harrison Bergeron: You'll have to do your own research. Do seperate google searches on "gender-feminism" and "equity-feminism." Check out the Independent Women's Forum for some good material.
SpyderTim Reply:
1. You provided no evidence. Only your word.
2. I asked posters for their own definitions of feminism, not for suggestions for where I can conduct research.
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Nobody's forcing you or anybody else to go to another site to read material. It isn't changing Freerepublic if I post material at another site. If this place bores you then you can stop coming here. I doubt that you will be missed.
I'm beginning to wonder whether you even wrote that stuff. One would think that the author of that material would be able to defend it. I would expect you to have quotations off the top of your head to answer almost any criticism. With 1200 pre-written pages to draw from, you should be the master of defending your ideas.
But that is not what we see. Your answer to almost any comment about this material is an incoherent, angry outburst, usually accompanied by denigrating comments concerning the author's mental faculties.
My observation is that most authors relish an opportunity to defend their work. But you don't, and you can't. All you can tell us is how much you got paid for it, and how frequently it is read by mental health professionals.
I don't think this discussion is what it seems, and I'm going to pass on any more of it.
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Is that a for real promise? Then thank God!
Too funny!
I understand where your question is coming from now. After an intensive google search of my own, it appears that "credentialed" feminists are doing their absolute best to claim that "bra burning" never took place, despite the fact that we all saw it on the news and in newspaper picture in the late 60's and early 70's. Snopes debunks it, but all of their sources are notoriously mendacious feminists, so I had to look further:"She is however relatively tame compared to Andrea Dworkin or Susan Brownmiller, who published tracts on the male culture of rape. Activist events such as bra burning are remembered easily, but more serious intellectual feminism also started to make inroads into academia."Anybody who lived through the period got to see at least one bra burning on TV or in the paper. It could very well be that the "legend" became fact when small groups of campus feminists realized they could get reporters to show up at their events. Regardless, it happened, depite efforts to by mainstream feminists say it didn't.
From The Rewriting of Sexual HistoryHere's an actual picture, albeit small and hard to see - it links to a blurb on the subject at The Learning Channel:
I found myself agreeing with this article until I came to this line. The author has taken this out of context and provides no source. I am quite sure that the author is refering to cadences which are demeaning to women, not the act of running. I know of no female officer (or other soldier) who has ever publicly complained about the physical aspect of morning runs. I may be wrong though.
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That's the first decent question you have asked, and a good one. I'm aware of a pattern in myself. I too often attempt to deal people who have little capacity or personal integrity as if they had capacity and personal integrity. It's a bad habit I acquired in younger years when I was at the mercy of such people and was put in a position of still trying to reason with them because there was no alternative. The world still abounds with such people, that's why we got the Clintons in the White House. That's also why I get people such as you and this other idiot following me around and attempting to ridicule me. You know both you and that other bird aren't worth a damn and will never be worth a damn. Still, against better judgement and evidence I treat the two of you as if you had a spark of sincerity or redemption, hoping to find it. At this point it I think it is certain such hope is unwarrented.
In other cases I am looking for clinical patterns to write up.
Having said this, go %@#$%%* yourself.
I'm remembered of that, for some reason....
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My impulse is to say the same thing you purposely used to irritate me and say there are insufficient footnotes here to support your assertion. However, there are occurrances so obvious and valid that they should be accepted by people of healthy mind and good will in much the same way that one need not document the phenomenon that the sun rises in the East every morning.
In the case of bra-burning it was a weekly occurrance at various demonstrations in the late 60s and early 70s much as was draft card burning in other movements. The shock and efficacy of the act rapidly declined with repetition. At the same time bralessness becam a public fashion for a period. The movement then developed other thrusts in its direction. Some of these were intellectualized interpretations such as the assertion that any sex with a man was rape, and declarations of "I can have my own orgasm" which appeared in some movies. ...and, no, I don't have a list of movies.
I understand what Barbusse's hero means when he describes going to bed with a prostitute, then going through the banal ritual of copulation, and feeling as if he had fallen from a height.
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