"Whip Me. Beat Me. Tax Me. Enslave Me: Shall We Pay Reparations to Taxpayers?"

The Libertarian Enterprise ^ | 04/15/02 | Douglas F. Newman

[redrock]

Today is "Bloody Monday"......and it is way past time to redo the tax system...and abolish the IRS.

But as long as the Republicans keep going along with the current form of slavery...nothing will change.

redrock

[redrock]

For your listening pleasure.....

redrock

[Demosthenes]

So tell me, sparky, who would you have us vote for, just out of curiosity?

I learned about Pat robertson way too late for my own peace of mind...

[redrock]

"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting different results."

Well,bubba, obviously if we keep electing someone from either major party...we will keep getting what we have.

redrock

[StockAyatollah]

Suggest that they vote for a party or a candidate who is committed to ending this madness, and they say they would rather vote for someone who is going to win.

Well, yeah, but with the LP out there saying kiddie porn is A-OK, do you think lots of people will ever view them as a viable alternative?

[fire and forget]

If enough of us who hate income taxes and other government intrusions on our property rights vote "on principle" for candidates other than Republicans, our nation will rapidly decline into a Marxist regime. Democrats will handily win all three branches of government. What remains of the Constitution will be shredded and our nation will deteriorate into something between Socialist Europe (which for Europe has been an enduring condition) and Germany right before WWII.

Conservatives as a rule are a lot brighter than the average voter and most weigh this small, inevitable consequence when choosing ever compromising Republicans over strict constitutionalists. Most elected Republicans are of our view. They simply haven't yet had sufficient numbers and electoral support to ram through the sort of changes we all want. I'm frustrated too, but we can't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

[Demosthenes]

hey man, agreed, and don't call me bubba. That's a cuss word in Alabam.

[wistful]

I disagree. Taking the path you suggest will never bring about the change you desire. There are too many compromises and too many compromisers.

All socialist countries eventually collapse. Vote not for compromise but for your own integrity and self respect. If the commies keep winning the country will soon collapse as the USSR did, and be reborn. Then, things can be remade the way you want.

This, rather than unprincipled compromise which prolongs the misery, is probably the shortest way to the objective we all seek.

[jaq]

What we need to do is make this the focal point for elections. It's irritated me for a long while that we let liberals such as the press and the Women's League of Voters decide what questions should be asked of our candidates.
Besides, how many articles have we read about how the "American people don't want a tax cut," and yet Bush ran on the promise of a tax cut and won.

[willyone]

You also forget to mention Social Insecurity taxes. The money is not giong to your retirement but rather is a huge slush fund for the whores in congress to pillage. There are no deductions to take to reduce this tax for the average taxpayer. It really pisses me off that all these foreign old people have been put on SSI even though they never paid a dime into the system. Their sponsors should be responsible for supporting them not you and me. If you add SS taxes in,the tax bite is actually double what you think it is.

[CWRWinger]

Way to go, redrock. Good article.

When Caesar demands more than what God does, then watch out, we are definitely living under man made slavery.

Yes, the churches of America have lost the salt in their message and have become hardly anything more than social clubs and tax shelters.

[banjo joe]

As others have pointed out, many don't care for a tax cut because they have little or no income tax liability. The top 10% of income earners pay the majority of tax revenues. When the dems remove all income tax liability from 51% of the populace they'll be completely secure.

[redrock]

I have never said that the Libertarian Party is the ONE to vote for......but consider this.

Obviously there is a problem in Washington D.C.

...and sending the same old tired people there (sometimes new names...but the same old rhetoric) will keep getting us the same old crap.

More taxes...less Freedom.

Time for a change......

redrock

[Dick Bachert]

IF YOU WANT THIS MAN – AND MEN LIKE HIM – TO REMAIN IN CONTROL OF YOUR ECONOMIC AND PERSONAL DESTINY, CONTINUE TO TOLERATE THE CURRENT MARXIST INCOME TAX SYSTEM.

ONE MORE TIME:

IT’S ABOUT P O W E R AND C O N T R O L!!

SIGN THE PETITION AT HTTP://WWW.VOTR.ORG. Then find out how you can do more to end American’s peculiar SPRING MADNESS.

[redrock]

"Yes, the churches of America have lost the salt in their message and have become hardly anything more than social clubs and tax shelters."

True...and so many people wonder why the Nation has seemingly 'lost it's way'.

redrock

[Johnny Crab]

I call this the DUCT TAPE OF GOVERNMENT that has been placed over "pulpit residents' mouths".....as it has promoted a "gee, we can't say that cause we might lose our tax exempt status" mentality....Lions and Tigers and Bears..OH MY!! This makes me want to HURL and look for a "For Profit"(not skeered) church......a MAJOR reason for decline in attendance and tithing. I've had LONG discussions about this with my older son and with my sub-teen children. They KNOW what is going on here.

It is NOT written "Be careful preaching only what Caesar allows you to or Caesar will make you render more"......

[ancient_geezer]

How pathetic is this? In the "land of the free", we pay taxes at rates similar to those of the countries in Europe we deride as socialist.

There's a good reason for that, our tax system has no significant differences from the European style VATs, except it tends to misrepresented as being something else. Instead of using tax credits to reconcile the payment of business taxes, we use allowed deductions from gross revenue to accomplish the same thing.

Definition [ http://www.encyclopedia.com/articles/13330.html ]:

value-added tax
levy imposed on businesses at all levels of production of a good or service, and based on the increase in price, or value, added to the good or service by each level. Because all stages of a value-added tax are ultimately passed on to the consumer in the form of higher prices, it has been described as a hidden sales tax. Originally introduced in France (1954), it is now used by most W European countries.

The current income/payroll tax structure now in place is a subtraction method VAT, in that it is a levy imposed on businesses at all levels of production, it is passed on to the consumer hidden in the price of goods and services, lower wages, lower returns on investment for investors, and higher loan interest rates

Collection of Value Added Tax

Issue: What Is the Best Way to Collect a Value Added Tax?

A value-added tax (VAT) generally is a tax imposed and collected on the value added at every stage in the production and distribution process of a good or service. Although a VAT may be computed in any of several ways, the amount of value added generally can be thought of as the difference between the value of sales and purchases of a business. (e.g. Revenues - Costs = Taxable Business Income)

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Subtraction-Method VAT. Under the subtraction method, value added is measured as the difference between a business's taxable sales and its purchases of taxable goods and services from other businesses. At the end of the reporting period, a rate of tax is applied to this difference in order to determine the tax liability. The subtraction method is similar to the credit-invoice method in that both methods measure value added by comparing sales to purchases that have borne the tax.

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The subtraction method differs from the credit-invoice method principally in that the tax rate is applied to a net amount of value added (sales less purchases) rather than to gross sales with credits for tax on gross purchases. A business's tax liability under the credit-invoice method relies on the business's sales records and purchase invoices, while the tax liability under the subtraction method may rely on records that the taxpayer maintains for income tax or financial accounting purposes.

As long as Congress Critters can hide or disguise taxes from the Voter, we will continue to see 70% of the public clamoring for more from government believing someone else foots the bill.

[ancient_geezer]

Bump to list

[fire and forget]

I respectfully disagree in turn. The country would go over to the dems en masse if most conservatives didn't vote Republican. Liberals would control the government in addition to the schools and media (which shape the minds of voters). If you think turning Socialist inertia in America is tough in the present environment, imagine how it would be with liberal Democrats in the House, the Senate, the Executive AND, the Supreme Court. I'd say pretty much impossible. At least liberals are being held somewhat in check and the SCOTUS remains slanted conservatively for now, until such time as we can light a fire under American voters and expose the dems and their agendas for what they really are.