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Hidden Agenda Driving Media Frenzy Over Catholic Scandal? [No Frenzy When Gay Scout Leaders Molest]
NewsMax.com ^ | 4-14-2002 | Fr. Mike Reilly

Posted on 04/14/2002 4:40:17 PM PDT by Notwithstanding

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To: Notwithstanding
So you have more contempt for a public school than you do for the Catholic Church?
21 posted on 04/14/2002 5:03:12 PM PDT by marajade
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To: Notwithstanding
"There posters here who think the liberal media are reporting in an unbiased manner."

Whatever... 450 children coming forward saying they've been sexually molested over a 30 year period qualifies as news to me...

22 posted on 04/14/2002 5:04:19 PM PDT by marajade
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To: marajade
Isn't that crazy...

Yes.

23 posted on 04/14/2002 5:07:18 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: marajade
As I suspected, the article you reference does not say anything about a 30 year period.
24 posted on 04/14/2002 5:08:32 PM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: lil'freeper
big'ol_bump
25 posted on 04/14/2002 5:09:05 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper
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To: marajade
What a silly non sequitur question.
26 posted on 04/14/2002 5:09:08 PM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: Notwithstanding
From the article:

"Calls for Law's resignation mounted after church personnel records released by MacLeish at a news conference last week showed Law and other archdiocese officials knew the Rev. Paul Shanley had been accused of abuse over three decades."

Don't know what school you attended but over three decades equals 30 years where I went.

27 posted on 04/14/2002 5:10:58 PM PDT by marajade
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To: Torie
You are correct, in a way.

No doubt that, prior to 1965, a solid majority of American Catholics (religious and laity) had apostasized from the consistent teaching of the Church on contraception. Vatican II told them (or so they thought) that they were following "the signs of the times", or being responsive to the "inner forum".

We live in a democracy, and dwell in a democratic age. It seems backward and hopeless both for the Church to "resist" what the people of God, and their clergy (at least the honest ones) have discerned as the truth.

Unless they are wrong.

The Church thinks the people have fallen to worshipping a golden calf. In the long view, the Church probably thinks this is a temporary aberration.

What if the Church is right, and the Peopple of God are wrong?

28 posted on 04/14/2002 5:11:55 PM PDT by Jim Noble
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To: Notwithstanding
"What a silly non sequitur question."

Your defense for the Catholic Church is astounding...

29 posted on 04/14/2002 5:12:35 PM PDT by marajade
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To: marajade
Apparently you read some other article somewhere that claims there has been no wrong-doing on th epart of leaders of the Church.

Perhaps you should read the article for this thread and not make false claims that the author thinks there is no scandal here. This author is merely pointing out the EXTREME agenda of the pro-gay anti-chastity media.

If you are on the side of the media, then of course you are pleased with their agendized reporting of this scandal.

30 posted on 04/14/2002 5:13:43 PM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: Notwithstanding
"Perhaps you should read the article for this thread and not make false claims that the author thinks there is no scandal here."

I stated nothing of the sort...

31 posted on 04/14/2002 5:15:15 PM PDT by marajade
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To: Zipporah;jmj333;notwithstanding;patent
..the Catholic church has an agenda...

No. Corrupt individuals within the church have a morally bankrupt agenda, and that is what led to them covering up the gay priests.

Thus, it is time for the most massive set of excommunications in history.

Yet, there are other members of the church who knew nothing of this garbage, and their existence should be noted.

It isn't every Catholic.

32 posted on 04/14/2002 5:15:38 PM PDT by The Giant Apricots
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To: Torie
My uninformed impression, is that the Catholic Church's stand on birth control has undermined its authority hugely among adherents, or nominal adherents, throughout the developed Western world.

Pope Paul VI convened a commission to "study" artificial birth control. If there was no doubt as to the authenticity of the teaching, why convene a commission? I remember reading what one cardinal said when asked what it meant if the Church did change the teaching. Wouldn't that mean that the original teaching had been wrong?

"No. It would mean that the Church moved from one certainty to another certainty."

The commission was made up of priests and lay people, and many of the priests sided with the majority of the lay people in recommending a change.

When word of the majority vote hit the press, it was easy to predict what the reaction would be.

The Pope rushed out HUMANAE VITAE, but many bishops, theologians, and priests didn't buy it, and the genie has been out of the bottle ever since.

33 posted on 04/14/2002 5:16:44 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: The Giant Apricots
And when the numbers are so huge that the Catholic Church can't contain it any longer when then does it or does it not quality as an "agenda"?
34 posted on 04/14/2002 5:16:59 PM PDT by marajade
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To: marajade
You are correct - thank you for pointing that out.

Nevertheless, you choose to ignore the extreme agenda of the media to sock it to the Catholic Church - which is whatthis thread's article is about. No one has claimed there is no scandal worth reporting. It is the way it is reported.

While I apologize for my error, the entire theme of your posting in this thread fails to address the points the author has made.

35 posted on 04/14/2002 5:17:42 PM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: Jim Noble;marajade;patent;notwithstanding
Does the Pope have the strength to excommunicate all the pro-gay, pro-abortion priests? Yay or nay?
36 posted on 04/14/2002 5:17:47 PM PDT by The Giant Apricots
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To: marajade
AGREED, STRONGLY!
37 posted on 04/14/2002 5:17:57 PM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: The Giant Apricots
Didn't the Pope just refuse to accept Cardinal Law's offer of resignation? If so, what does that say about the one human who is supposed to be the highest moral leader of the world?
38 posted on 04/14/2002 5:19:35 PM PDT by marajade
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To: marajade
Are you saying that the corruption is over 50%? That is what it would take. Are you so contending? Can you spell out the tenets of the agenda to which you refer?
39 posted on 04/14/2002 5:19:43 PM PDT by The Giant Apricots
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To: Jim Noble
What if the Church is right, and the Peopple of God are wrong?

In the short term, folks will cease to view their church as worthy of obedience on sexual topics, and maybe topics in general. They will cease to pay much attention. Perhaps it was inevitable. Educated middle class folks simply prefer to make their own moral judgments when push comes to shove, and cease in general to revert to a third party for guidance. That is just the way it is.

40 posted on 04/14/2002 5:20:13 PM PDT by Torie
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