Recently Ousted Communist President Hugo Chavez Reclaims Power in Venezuela

MSNBC ^ | April 14, 2002

[samtheman]

He has the rabid support of the "Welfare sector"...

Of course that's where his support comes from. He's cannibalizing what's left of their market economy and feeding it to a vast army of slackers. And it looks like they only have one job: get really pissed off if anyone touches Chavez. They are true junk yard dogs.

[bourbon]

Latin American Communist profanes Venezuela's Heritage (notice picture of Bolivar in the background and crucifix in his hand). [REUTERS].

[Osinski]

Did you post a Venezuela article yesterday that was deleted?

[MadRobotArtist]

Heheheheheh Yeah, I was too. About 5 years ago.

[Mulder]

I expect that America's communinists in the CIA and State Depts who are deeply imbedded in our bureaucracies also found a way to see to it that either we stayed out of it all or that we actually worked AGAINST the free wishes of the Venezuelan people!

You're right. State is packed with commies.

[mercy]

Looks like we haven't exactly got the CIA 'up to speed' yet. Can't even pull off a decent coup. (sigh)

[Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)]

It seems to me that we don't have the whole story.

Yes, I now what you're saying. I can't get my teeth into it yet either. Too many strange things happened behind the scene which hasn't come out yet.

[Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)]

If a president forced out due to a coup, returns in an almost concilliatory manner, is he really returning in power?

He's lying through his teeth about forgiving and moving on. This is for international consumption.

[Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy]

--he had the support of the air force general with the f-16's. Think about what happened in south america in the past when they actually have for-real serious coups, not this baby coup we saw. Whomever owns the high ground and the serious firepower wins. Numbers on the ground mean zilch. Check ashcanistan for this deal. High ground and firepower, high ground and firepower. There could be 500,000 anti chavez supporters in a mass demonstration, how many jets would it take to disperse the crowd and restore "law-n-order"? One? Probably. Remember, every "leader" always says the same thing, in some word arrangement or other like this -->their opposition are called "terrorists". You are "with" the leader or a "terrorist". Works in every country on the planet, always has, too, until they don't control the serious firepower.

Air power does not float in the air forever like some kind of impervious Zeppelin. An air force is only as good as its ground crew and air bases. The USA can bomb others with impunity because we have air bases all over the world and can fly and bomb anywhere thanks to air-to-air refueling. And that's not taking into account the Navy's aircraft carriers.

The Venezuelan Air Force's F-16s won't be that effective if Venezuelan Army tanks roll over their air bases. Even F-16s have to land to refuel and rearm! But we don't have much info on what is really going on; probably neither side wants to start shooting yet.

[JDGreen123]

Let's see, when Bush Sr. was in office, what happened to Manuel Norieaga? I imagine Bush Jr. has a spot reserved for old Hugo in Manny's cell. We are already involved in Colombia and will be more so in the near future I believe. Venezuala is right next door so disposing of Hugo should be on the list.

Hopefully, this all will get ol' Fidel on the terrorist list and bombing of Havana can start soon. If we are in an all out war on tyrants, Castro & Chavez definitely make the list.

[not-alone]

I don't understand it, but wonder if you were aware of connection to US Virgin Islands. Hovensa is the territory's largest private employer. Since the joint venture was formed in 1998,it has contributed $625 million in payroll and $150 million in property taxes to the economy of the Virgin Islands.Hovensa .-- a joint venture of Amerada Hess, the parent company of Hess Oil Virgin Islands Corp., and Petroleos de Venezuela, the huge state-owned oil enterprise that dominates the economy of the South American nation. commonly known by its acronym PDVSA,

[zog]

--that is a very good angle and point. I don't know the players there that much to know if this is reality or not. I am surprised though that if this is the case that we didn't put it just another regular old cia puppet instead of chavez again.

Basically, I think the bottom line is all these high level dudes realise the gravy train cash money on the side might be over if they don't play ball, and I bet a variety of "things" got to them to play ball again. There's been so many folks wasted there the past few days. Suppose a lot of the generals had second cousins wasted, stuff like that? Close enough to notice, far enough away to make it look "random".

Besides that I just don't know, the "situation is fluid" is the phrase.

[watcher1]

it will collapse completely in about 20 years.

chavez is no CINO, he's the real thing.
He and his amigos can do a lot of damage in 20 years.
Remember, unlike cuba he has oil, lots of it

[zog]

--no it don't float forever, you are correct, but what I said is true, too. Put 500 thou or a million protesters in the streets, one plane can disperse them. napalm and HE sorta works. Even if only 1% get taken out with the first sorte, the rest will leave. Militaries use what they got, and the track record of various juntas and dictators over the planet is-they don't really care if it looks like they are gonna lose everything, they'll crank up what assets they have and use them to stay inpower as long as possible-most of the time anyway. I just happened to read that the air force general and his wing were the first ones to jump ship and support chavez, that's all. And I have no idea how many of the army is still on chavez's side as well, he could have his own tanks and grunts-I'd be surprised if he didn't. Reality is he's back in, not out. Money and power did it, oil money and military power or the threat of it. It would take someone really on the ground there who knew all the players and was posting here to really get closer to the why's of this whole deal.

I also would like to know what's up with cuba right now, any of what they call "mobilization" going on, stuff like that. Haven't heard a peep either way on that yet.

[The South Texan]

That's why they should done to Chavez what the Romainians did to Chachesceu (sp) in 1989. It works all of the time!

[NormsRevenge]

I hate to see the people of VeneZuela stuck in this situation. I am not sure why some fought so boldly against Cardona, Students no doubt.

GHCubana, I agree, I dont think HuGo will leave alive next time which we can only hope will be sooner rather than later as Bill used to say.
We dont need more communism in our hemisphere...

SEMPER FI
Norm

[Paleo Conservative]

Too bad this didn't have a happy ending the way Allende was ousted in Chile in 1973.

[rightwing2]

Again, if Bush had concentrated on getting Castro out of power we wouldn't be reading about a Communist victory in Venezuela. Columbia is next my friends.

Well, if Brazil goes Catroite Communist in October as it now seems it might if Lula da Silva gets elected, most of the rest of Latin America will likely fall to the reds over a period of a decade or more and as you say Columbia will be the first to go.

When South America turns red do you think Bush or some other RHINO will finally close the border?

Nope, he will just hold a summit with the Communist Presidents of the various Latin American nations and try to get a Communist "undocumented worker" amnesty bill though Congress in the dead of night on a stealth vote just as he has deviously done in regards to illegal immigration for Mexico. Then the US itself will be Communized over time from within as the Hispanics vote only for far left Democrats and worse.

[rightwing2]

--I don't know, you tell me. all three of them were purged around the same time two days ago, and all their efforts got deleted. Think about how orwellian this is. I posted my first ever started-post on freerepublic yesterday to ask that question, but the thread got deleted. As these actual questions and replies might get deleted, I am probably taking a chance to even discuss it calmly. Oh well.

While I confirmed that Black Jade is history, sonofliberty2 is still accessable as our his posts. While I am believe that there is a conspiracy for global governance and the New World Order, I really see no conspiracy going on here with FR on JimRob. The man has the right to ban anyone he wants from his website. It is natural for him to ban those with whom he disagrees with the most which unfortunately includes some of my personal favorite posters. There is no US/NWO conspiracy with 9-11. However, I do think the Russkies and the ChiComs may have been in on it. Anyway, don't get discouraged. Keep posting away.

[zog]

ah, excuse me, glad to hear sonofliberty still here. My mistake, I was told this and it is an error. coolbeans.

The other stuff I'll pass on replying about, some of this and some of that I agree with, some I don't, and I got some differing opinions on the gestalt.

One thing I will say, banning is one thing, banning with no notice is entirely a different thing, and complete disappearing someones work that goes back years? Vindictive, obnoxious, juvenile, and petty. That's the politest thing I'll say about that. My "respect" and "trust" has dropped 18 notches with this latest series of purges. I don't know exactly who(m) did it, so I'll direct that to whichever person or persons did it. They know who they are.