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Opening Pandora's Box: America's Apparent Foreign-Policy Suicide Wish...
Friends Of Liberty ^ | April 7, 2002 | Murray Soupcoff

Posted on 04/10/2002 6:09:48 AM PDT by Apolitical

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To: caltrop
If we and Israel don't show the world that suicide terrorism is an ineffective tactic to attain peace, or anything else for that matter, look forward to having this tactic used again and again against American citizens on American soil by Islamic extremists. The same extremists that are attacking Israel.
21 posted on 04/10/2002 12:12:24 PM PDT by KDD
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To: caltrop
>The US should be an observer in these conflicts...

Well, yes, the US was warned from the start to avoid European entanglements, etc.

But so what? Live in the world around you.

The US -- both though official federal channels and indirectly through all many of social activist groups and even more indirectly through business channels which are de facto political channels -- has pretty much been mucking around in world affairs for at least 90 years.

Crossing your arms over your chest and jutting out your chin and saying "The US shouldn't be involved in these things" is just childish and is darn close to denial. The US is involved in these things and the US is going to be involved in these things. Deal with it.

And, given that the US screwed up the Middle East by giving the Arab world oil extraction technology and then not going to war when the scum nationalized the oil fields and stole all that technology the US put there -- in fact, the US further empowered the Arabs by giving them uncounted billions in petro dollars for the oil that they extracted using the equipment they stole from US companies -- it would be downright wrong for the US to wash our hands of that mess after we were so instrumental in making it!

Mark W.

22 posted on 04/10/2002 12:13:03 PM PDT by MarkWar
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To: MarkWar
I forget how many wars are going on right now, it seems to me something on the order of 60. Many are in areas that matter to the US. Israel and/or Palestine have no natural resources of significance, do not control a strategically important area and have no more claim to US concern than any other area of the world. Unless you're prepared to argue that the US should be involved in all those conflicts around the world which, for good reason, should come ahead of the war in Israel/Palestine, then you deal with it.
23 posted on 04/10/2002 1:07:31 PM PDT by caltrop
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To: KDD
Unless the US disengages from the Israeli/Palestinian War we've mananged to get ourselves far too involved in, I agree with you. The Palestinians will eventually decide to bring the war to the US. That incidentally, is the same thing any combatant would do when he believes he's under attack. Worse, somebody (Iraq, for example) other than the Palestinians could attack the US and let those in this country who'd like us more involved in the Israel/Palestinian War tag the Palestinians with the blame.
24 posted on 04/10/2002 1:38:27 PM PDT by caltrop
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To: caltrop
Unless the US disengages from the Israeli/Palestinian War we've mananged to get ourselves far too involved in, I agree with you.

This conflict is not about the Palestinians. It is about extremist Islam. We are engaged whether we like it or not. 911

Tom Friedman, a New York Times' columnist, wrote recently of "Suicidal Lies", warning that "The Palestinians are so blinded by their narcissistic rage that they have lost sight of the basic truth civilization is built on; the sacredness of every human life, starting with your own."

No religion sends its children out to commit suicide for the purpose of killing others. No religion declares martyrdom a sacred duty. But Islam does! It is not a religion; it is little more than a 7th century warrior cult and one that spread its faith by the fear of death unless one converts. Indeed, to convert from Islam is a death sentence. The word "Islam" means "submission." Are you ready to submit?

This is the Islamic Jihad at work in the world today and nations must take up arms against it. In March alone, Palestinian suicide bombers killed more than a hundred Israelis. As the suicide bombers did their evil work in the streets of Israel, this is what Yassir Arafat was telling Palestinians and Muslims around the world:

"Allah, give me martyrdom (in Jerusalem), the place from which the Prophet Muhammad ascended to the heavens..." Jerusalem is not a holy city to Muslims. Mecca and Medina, both in Saudi Arabia, are their holy cities. For centuries Muslims ignored Jerusalem until they decided to conquer it.

"To Jerusalem we march, martyrs by the millions," said Arafat. "This is our destiny. This is a divine decree..." The Koran is a call to war!

Arafat must go.

25 posted on 04/10/2002 2:05:46 PM PDT by KDD
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To: KDD
>Tom Friedman, a New York Times' columnist, wrote recently of "Suicidal Lies", warning that "The Palestinians are so blinded by their narcissistic rage that they have lost sight of the basic truth civilization is built on..."

That was a good comment. And a good, telling phrase: "narcissistic rage"

One way I think about this business, is to in my mind, put myself in the place of the PLO.

I mean, I was born in a little neighborhood on the south side of Chicago. My family has lots of ties there. My grandmother, in fact, was born in a little house not far from where I grew up. But-- If (and this is a little crazy, but it's for thought purposes) some weird UN decree came down handing over the south side of Chicago to some Native American tribe and demanding that all non-Native Americans get out, I wouldn't start killing people because I disagreed vehemently with the politics of the decision. And, after all, I can live anywhere else in Chicago, or anywhere else in America...

The PLO are in the same kind of fix. The Jews have no other place to call home. The PLO are "home" any where in the Arab world. Is the establishment of Israel a "perfect" solution? (It's not as crazy as my example.) No. But is the psychotic, unbounded Arab rage and hatred in any way proportional to the context around them? No. Is it in any way a civilized response to the context around them? No.

Mark W.

26 posted on 04/10/2002 2:20:19 PM PDT by MarkWar
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To: MarkWar
The dogma that drove Hitler to try the "final solution" is still alive and well in the world today.
28 posted on 04/10/2002 2:29:55 PM PDT by KDD
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To: Old Hickory
>"Middle East Fatigue" is spreading.

If it is, it's only in your dreams.

Bush's poll numbers are going down. Not because people are tired of hearing about the Middle East. But because people are angry at him for allowing his administration and America to be seen as unprincipled toadies to Arafat and his fellow terrorists. Bush s rating slips, but still high ( NBC/WSJ poll: : W at 74% )

Mark W.

29 posted on 04/10/2002 2:37:35 PM PDT by MarkWar
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