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More On Angeles, Abu Sayyaf Meeting
Gulf News Online ^ | April 3, 2002 | Barbara Mae Dacanay

Posted on 04/09/2002 8:21:06 PM PDT by glorygirl

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1 posted on 04/09/2002 8:21:06 PM PDT by glorygirl
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To: okcsubmariner
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2 posted on 04/09/2002 8:21:53 PM PDT by glorygirl
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To: glorygirl,ratcat,lawdog,MizSterious,Uncle Bill,honway,rdavis84,backhoe,Fred Mertz
Thank you for the article. Good find. It is a mirror to the Manil Times article that came out in late MArch 2002 that has been posted on FR.

Note it does not talk directly about two Iraqis at the meeting as have the previous Manila Times articles.

3 posted on 04/09/2002 9:03:18 PM PDT by OKCSubmariner
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To: OKCSubmariner
Why would this appear in the Gulf News???
4 posted on 04/09/2002 9:05:29 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Shermy,glorygirl,MizSterious,ratcat,honway,rdavis84,Donald Stone
Reply #4 from Shermy "Why would this appear in the Gulf News???"

I wonder the same thing. Does glorygirl know the answer?

Is this preparation for an attack on Iraq by laying the groundwork for a justifiable pretext to Arab nations?

5 posted on 04/09/2002 9:19:11 PM PDT by OKCSubmariner
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To: Shermy
Maybe because it is newsworthy? Has anyone ever considered that possibility, when it comes to this issue?
6 posted on 04/09/2002 9:25:11 PM PDT by glorygirl
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To: glorygirl
Probably. They also have an article about ex-President Estrada which is newsworthy too.
7 posted on 04/09/2002 10:01:05 PM PDT by altair
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To: glorygirl
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b334d8a5609.htm

Key Dates in OKC Bombing Case

1994

13 SEP
Timothy McVeigh begins his plot to blow up the Oklahoma City federal building.
Sept 12-13,1994- McVeigh rents a room at the El Siesta Motel in Vian, Arkansas, which is immediately adjacent to Muldrow, Ok, which is where the Millars of Elohim live. So if the government is right, the conspiracy began while McVeigh was staying in Arkansas (Source for El Siesta is Others Unknown p.178.)

30 SEP
The first ton of ammonium nitrate is bought for the bomb from a farm co-op in McPherson, Kan.

18 OCT
The second ton of fertilizer is purchased.

21 OCT
McVeigh, disguised as a biker, buys $2,775 worth of nitromethane racing fuel for the bomb at a Texas track.

16 DEC
McVeigh drives by the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building and points it out as his target to his friend, Michael Fortier. _________________________________________________

I wonder if the story about 16 Dec is there to give McVeigh an alibi for the meeting in the Philippines?Fortier would tell any story the government wanted him to.

8 posted on 04/10/2002 5:43:14 AM PDT by honway
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To: glorygirl
Angeles also revealed that he signed an affidavit in the law office of Senator Aquilino Pimentel at the Golden Loop Tower in suburban Pasig, in which he alleged that the Central Investigation Agency (CIA) was behind the creation of the Abu Sayyaf Group.

This is very interesting. We know the CIA played a significant role in Osama bin Laden's activities in the 1980's.

9 posted on 04/10/2002 5:49:46 AM PDT by honway
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http://216.239.51.100/search?q=cache:h432L-SW9IcC:www.kwtv.com/news/bombing/mcveigh.htm+Nichols+Philippines+1994&hl=en

Indictment of McVeigh and Nichols

24. On or about November 21, 1994 and prior to departing for the Philippines, NICHOLS prepared a letter to McVEIGH, to be delivered only in the event of NICHOLS' death, in which he advised McVEIGH, among other matters, that storage unit No. 37 in Council Grove, Kansas had been rented in the name "Parker" and instructed McVEIGH to clear out the contents or extend the lease on No. 37 by February 1, 1995. NICHOLS further instructed McVEIGH to "liquidate" storage unit No. 40.

25. On or about December 16, 1994, while en route to Kansas to take possession of firearms stolen in the Arkansas robbery, McVEIGH drove with Michael Fortier to the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building and identified the building as the target.

26. In early 1995, following NICHOLS' return from the Philippines, firearms stolen in the Arkansas robbery were sold and McVEIGH, NICHOLS and Michael Fortier obtained currency from those sales.

27. On or about February 9, 1995, NICHOLS, using currency, paid for the continued use of storage unit No. 40 at Council Grove, Kansas in the name of "Joe Kyle."

10 posted on 04/10/2002 7:20:56 AM PDT by honway
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From the Nichols trial(AP)

The letter was one of several items in a sealed brown paper bag that Nichols left with Mrs. Padilla when he departed for the Philippines on Nov. 22, 1994.

11 posted on 04/10/2002 7:34:12 AM PDT by honway
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To: glorygirl
Terry Nichols returned from the Philippines on January 16, 1995. Motel registration cards show he was registered at the Sunset Motel in Kingman, Arizona, from February 12 through February 16, 1995. At the same time, Timothy McVeigh was registered at the Hilltop Motel in Kingman. Records from the Daryl Bridges phone card show five calls were attempted from the Hilltop Motel to the Sunset Motel on February 12, 1995. On February 13, 1995, there were two more calls with a connection.
12 posted on 04/10/2002 7:46:28 AM PDT by honway
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http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache:pQSdcSJCTlQC:www.gasstationthoughts.com/mcveigh/crazyshit.html+Terry+Nichols+return+Philippines+January+1995&hl=en

I found what appears to be a discrepency in the record of the Grand jury report while looking for the date of Nichols last visit to the Philippines.

"A canvas by FBI agents of the area around Junction City, including businesses and motels, was immediately conducted. At the Dreamland Motel, owner Leah McGowan remembered a man in a Ryder truck who had been a recent guest there. She provided a description of the individual to the FBI. When asked if she remembered the man's name, Mrs. McGowan identified him as Timothy McVeigh. Mrs. McGowan was then shown the composite drawing of John Doe I and was asked if Timothy McVeigh resembled the drawing. The response was affirmative."

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The original explanation as to how McVeigh was discovered in a county jail in OK was that a "friend" of McVeigh's recognized the composite drawing and called the FBI to report McVeigh's anti-government views. After the call McVeigh's SSN was run through the system and he was located in the county jail.

IIRC, Leah McGowan was never called as a witness in the McVeigh trial. Could this discrepency be the reason?

13 posted on 04/10/2002 8:00:00 AM PDT by honway
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http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/mcveigh_transcript_directory.html

McVeigh Trial Transcripts

I confirmed that Leah McGown did not testify at the McVeigh trial. Leah is the one that registered McVeigh at the Dreamland Motel and filled out the registration card. However, the only individual called to provide testimony from the staff of the motel to establish that McVeigh was there was Leah's son, Eric. In April 1995, Eric was 17 years old. The prosecutors were asking for the death penalty based partially on the testimony of a 17 year old, while choosing not to call the adult that registered McVeigh.

This does not pass the smell test.

I believe the Grand Jury statement about Leah McGown leading the FBI to McVeigh is a lie. That was the reason she was never placed on the stand.

14 posted on 04/10/2002 8:27:49 AM PDT by honway
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To: glorygirl; OKCSubmariner
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/oklahoma/stories/ok042295.htm

Wash. Post-April 22,1995

Notice how the story evolves

In a day of stunningly swift developments, Attorney General Janet Reno told a mid-afternoon news conference that McVeigh had been held since Wednesday by police in the small town of Perry, Okla., 60 miles north of here, where he was stopped for speeding just 80 minutes after the bombing. It was not until Thursday night that local officers recognized him from composite drawings of two bombing suspects distributed by the FBI. McVeigh had been identified only as "John Doe 1" in the arrest warrant issued yesterday.

15 posted on 04/10/2002 8:41:03 AM PDT by honway
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http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1995_cr/s950606-terror.htm

Congressional Record

On Thursday, April 20, FBI agents reached the Dreamland Hotel in Junction City. The manager recognized the composite of John Doe No. 1, a young cleanshaven man with a military crewcut. The man, hotel officials said, had stayed in Room 25 and had been driving a large Ryder truck. He also had registered as Timothy McVeigh.

Around that time, a former co-worker of McVeigh's saw the composite sketch on television and called the FBI, telling agents McVeigh expressed anger at the federal government and agitation over the federal-Branch Davidian standoff near Waco, Tex., court records said.

Realizing the story in the court record about the co-worker calling in would never wash, suddenly the story of Leah McGown identifying McVeigh takes center stage while Leah never takes the stand.

16 posted on 04/10/2002 8:54:40 AM PDT by honway
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http://www.courttv.com/casefiles/oklahoma/documents/complaint1.html

McVeigh Criminal Complaint

12. On April 21, 1995, a former co-worker of Tim McViegh's reported to the FBI that he had seen the composite drawing of Unsub #1 on the television and recognized the drawing to be a former co-worker, Tim McViegh. He further advised that McVeigh was known known to hold extreme rightwing views, was a military veteran, and was particularly agitated about the conduct of the federal government in Waco, Texas, in 1993. In fact, the co-worker further reports that McViegh had been so agitated about the deaths of the Branch Dividians in Waco, Texas, on April 19, 1993, that he personnnaly visited the site. After visiting the site, McViegh expressed extreme anger at the federal government and advised that the Governemnt should never had done what it did. He further advised that the last known address he had for McViegh is 1711 Stockton Hill Road, #206, Kingman, Arizona.

13. On April 21, 1994, investigators learned that a Timothy McViegh was arrested at 10:30 a.m. on April 19, 1995, in Perry, Oklahoma, for not having a lisencse tag and for possession of a weapon approxiamtely 1-1/2 hours after the detonation of the expolosive device at the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. Perry, Oklahoma, is approximately a 1- 1/2 hour drive from Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.

17 posted on 04/10/2002 9:24:32 AM PDT by honway
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From Link in #17

8. "The composite drawings were shown to employees at various motels and commercial establishments in the Junction City, Kansas, vicinity. Employees of the Dreamland Motel in Junction City Kansas, advised FBI agents that an individual resembling Unsub #1 depicted in the composite drawings had been a guest at the Motel from April 14 through April 18, 1995. "

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This is the only place in the complaint where they do not give the date the witness was interviewed. If that date was after 21 April, that would be significant since it would prove there is another lie in the OKC grand jury report.

18 posted on 04/10/2002 9:32:44 AM PDT by honway
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19 posted on 09/23/2002 4:57:18 PM PDT by honway
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20 posted on 05/04/2003 7:08:07 AM PDT by honway
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