Posted on 04/06/2002 6:22:10 PM PST by Icthus
An interesting theory...especially in the light of recent events. I never expected the "world" to turn against Israel like they have over the past few weeks, and the Muslim faith has experienced phenominal growth since 9/11.
The Catholic's are being viewed with much scepticism due to the current scandal, Christians are being pursecuted in foriegn lands and hammered pretty heavily by the media here in the U.S. as fanatics.
HHhmmmm?
I agree with you that several "key" things have to be implemented first. However, look at the advances in technology over the past few years. Just last week, the FDA gave approval to Advanced Digital Solutions (ADSX) to begin marketing the implantable Bio-microchip into humans.
The technology to track an individuals purchases through this method has probably already been thought of and possibly it's even being tested now, who knows? We are probably alot closer to the end than we realize.
Today, of the estimated 14 million Jews worldwide, some 4 million live in Israel, 4.5 million in the U.S., and 2.2 million in Russia and other republics of the former Soviet Union. If 4 million (+-) live in Israel, and the other 10 million live outside of Israel.....?
"..Zionism will be the downfall of us all.."
Zionism achieved its goal with the creation of Israel in 1948. And you are somewhat correct....from your comments, it does appear that zionism will be the downfall of some, or at least one.
The totality of the Bible's teaching on antichrist or antichrists is found in the following four verses:
1 John 2:18 "Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists."
1 John 2: 22 "Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son."
1 John 4:3 "and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world."
2 John 7 "For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist."
This is what one "gleans" from the Bible if one doesn't read into it what it doesn't say:
1) There is no such individual as "The Antichrist." John specifically said that there were "many antichrists." An antichrist is simply someone who is "anti" or against Christ.
2) The antichrist phenomenon was current when John wrote these letters. John specifically said that "the spirit of the antichrist"... "is now in the world." That he had some 21st century individual "Antichrist" in mind is ridiculous.
3) That all this junk that Hal Lindsey and others say about some future European dictator is the figment of a fertile but erroneous imagination.
I know that this understanding of antichrist isn't going to sell many books; nor will it make a thrilling movie. But it is the truth.
Well, I'm not sure they actually achieved their goal at this date. The more I read and listen to people here on FR, the more I realize that the goals of Israel will not be complete until a Greater Israel is formed to encompass the settlements and the recapture of the ancient lands of Israel as described in the Torah. A further goal of Zionism would be to replace the "abdomination" of the Al-Aska mosque with a new Jewish Temple in that spot or to at least rebuild the Temple of Solomon on some portion of the Temple Mount. So, no, I do not agree that Zionism's goals are complete, nor do I believe they can be complete unless there is a transfer of spiritual authority over holy sites from the bastard-spawn of Ishmael back to the "proper" lineage of the children of Israel.
You have three religions competing for the legacy of one peoples and one land. When the Roman empire was in full swing bringing colonial pressures on Israel, we had a messiah come about and we saw the destruction of Israel. Then we saw the subversion of the entire Roman world through Christendom. Then we saw the Ishmaelite rebellion of Islam and the wars that followed. But today, we have the American Empire with Israel as the front line to push the Ishmaelites back and to recapture the land "deeded" to the Israelites(and hence all of western civilization) in the Torah.
These things are all fascinating and well, but lets not fool ourselves any longer. Zionism, the push for settlements, the recapture of the Temple Mount - these are all the goals of Israel and there are religious in nature, not democratic. My point was simply to observe that it is fundamentally for a messianic purpose that we are embarking on this war to defend our spiritual outpost. And it is mind-boggling what could occur as a result.
I don't profess to know the answers, nor do I want hate for Israel to become a convenient answer to the problem. What I do wonder is what kind of mess we have gotten ourselves in. Will a new messiah forged in the battle for Abrahams legacy be born in our day? I could cry a tear to hope so, but as a rational person I can't help but realize that this is a bunch of nonsense that's going to get a whole lotta people killed and for no other good reason than the peculiar claim that you can live where you want to because an ancient book of fairy tales tells you so.
Second, believe that everything I have been telling you is gospel, in all senses of the word. You are already learning VAST amounts! ALL Israel, WILL be saved, after all...
Whether the Temple will be rebuilt by human effort, before God or Messiah supplies it, I do not know, but
MR SHARON, TEAR DOWN THOSE MOSQUES!
"Be ye of good courage, for I have overcome the world."
As for fairy tales, the Bible says that "I seemed like one that dreamed, when I saw Jerusalem rebuilt," etc. Try to think two or three impossible things every morning, before breakfast!
The Bible is for people who dream big dreams! What was ever accomplished by skeptics, hanging back, saying, oh, there are giants in the land, we were like grasshoppers in our own eyes....
Read your history, it was BK that caused the downfall and exile of the Jewish people, 135 AD.
Jesus of N was killed in 33 AD, nothing happened, and as far as the events of 70 Ad (a) One would have to be crazy to suggest Jesus had anything to do with it; (b) it was just a destruction of the Temple and part of the City; in 30 yrs Judaism and Judea were back bigger and better than ever, 500M persons in Betar alone...to really get kicked by Romans in 135 over AKIVA AND BAR-KOKHBA, not Jesus.
"..for no other good reason than the peculiar claim that you can live where you want to because an ancient book of fairy tales tells you so.."
It's obvious by your comments that you indeed do not know the answers.
If you were to research the events of Israel's history, from original conception through today, utilizing both secular and biblical references, I feel confident that you would have a different opinion than you currently hold.
As a "rational person" as you claim, challenge yourself to seek the "real" truth, do a little research, then decide whether it is all really coincidence or...... "an ancient book of fairy tales".
RIGHT ON! And it WILL occur!
Probably 7 heads of state or 7 persons more powerful than heads of state or seven 7th sons of 7th sons or 7 clerks from seven 7/11 stores.
For lurkers, here's the rest of that excerpt from the Downside Legacy:
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