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Frank Zito says he shot police because they broke his door{ unreasonable search and seizure }
The Star Democrat ^ | April 04, 2002 | By: BRIAN HAAS

Posted on 04/05/2002 8:59:46 PM PST by freespeech1

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To: Wm Bach
Congratulations, Bach, you have the most narcissistic and absurd profile page on FR. What a Renaissance Man! LMAO. Sure - poet, painter, composer, macho fireman and inimitable man of letters ... but computer programmer as well? Wow! And, to think of all the things you left off ... Rodeo bullrider, astronaut, male model, scultpor. You aren't a self-satisfied twit whatsoever. If I'd known I was going to lose the esteem of a world class talent like yourself, I may never have backed the right of those cops to not be murdered on duty.

Nah, I still would have, so just keep moving along you self-deluded phony.

361 posted on 04/10/2002 3:04:34 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: Wm Bach
Make that Renaissance "Woman", macho "firefighter", "runway" model, etc. I should have checked one of the three or four web sites you've devoted to yourself before I assumed your gender.

Word has it that Frank Zito is quite a patron of fine arts, maybe you can compose a little bagpipe ditty or write him a poem to show your love and support during this difficult time.

362 posted on 04/10/2002 3:26:58 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: ArneFufkin
LOL! Expending all that invective is going to give you an ulcer and leave your chin all foamy. It's eating you up, isn't it?

Still, the fact remains that even an obnoxious slob like Zito, or even you Arne, enjoys the same 4th amendment protections as anyone else, and a warrant is still required to break down the man's door, now matter how flimsy and tho' the winds may blow through it.

Any magistrate would have rubberstamped a warrant for the police, had they been threatened, but because they chose to ignore the law, a poor cop is dead, and a poor slob of a man is on murder charges.

Cops are not above the law.

363 posted on 04/10/2002 5:22:37 AM PDT by Wm Bach
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To: supercat
Let me see, mess with drug dealer's or mess with honest folks. Hmmm, that is a tough call.

Recently I was on patrol in a high crime area. A detective, who had been watching a drug dealer from down the street watched me approach in my marked unit. When I got near the drug dealer, who was standing on the corner, the detective told me to 'check that guy out, he's been flagging down cars.' So, I stop my cruiser and tell the guy I want to talk to him. He takes off running, while reaching in his waistband and throwing something, that was not found afterward. The guy (17 year old) runs inside a house next door. I catch him inside. The people that live there say they don't know him.

I charged the kid with obstructing and burglary. We go to juvenile court. The judge says it's not a crime to run from the police and finds the kid not guilty of obstructing. But he does find him guilty of the burglary.

Recently I found out the judge told the prosecutor in the case that I was a "cowboy" for chasing this poor youth.

So, a detective sees a kid engaging in selling drugs in a known drug area, he runs, gets caught, goes to court and now I'm a "cowboy" for doing my job.

I should'a been a brain surgeon.

364 posted on 04/10/2002 8:25:42 AM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: capitan_refugio
The police "took care of problems" in Nazi Germany too. That's the real problem.

You must be new and didn't realize that an unwritten rule in Free Republic is that the first person to call America Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia loses.

365 posted on 04/10/2002 4:36:38 PM PDT by #3Fan
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To: Cap'n Crunch
So, a detective sees a kid engaging in selling drugs in a known drug area, he runs, gets caught, goes to court and now I'm a "cowboy" for doing my job.

While I would probably not disagree with the judge's decision (since the thrown object was never found, there's no way of telling whether it would have constituted evidence of anything illegal), his comment is way out of line. That the person was willing to commit burglary in an effort to avoid talking to a cop would suggest strongly that he was up to no good. Whether or not such evidence would constitute probable cause for anything [other than the burglary arrest], it should at minimum be recognized informally.

What's unfortunate is that thanks to jury brainwashing it's often easier to convict law-abiding people of unintentional 'crimes', even felonies, than to convict real criminals. After all, since the law-abiding people aren't seeking to hide anything (having no reason to do so) it's much easier to gather adequate evidence against them. And if the judge can convince the jury that abbreviating the name of one's state of residence on a 4473 constitutes a failure to properly fill one out, it will be easy to come up with all the 'evidence' needed.

BTW, I'd like to see an attourney general announce that police officers who go after the law-abiding rather than criminals will have their cases thrown out. To my knowledge, at the national level Ashcroft has never said such a thing; at the Illinois level, the current attourney general spent considerable effort on a 'sting' of law-abiding gun dealers, and the Republican nominee sought, as state's attourney, to prosecute someone for unlawful use of a weapon because he was carrying a pistol in the manner specified by statute (in a case, within a backpack, unloaded, and while possessing a FOID card).

369 posted on 04/10/2002 10:27:26 PM PDT by supercat
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To: ArneFufkin
Threats of personal violence arne? -- It's late, - What substance are you abusing?
373 posted on 04/10/2002 11:56:30 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: ArneFufkin
Little tramp? - Slut? -- How droll, considering I'm male.

- Did you know Adolf had a irrational hate for women, arne? Well documented. At times, he ranted, - just like you, -- about them being tramps & sluts. Strange fella, adolf, -- He also did a lot of personal violence threats, but to all accounts, never raised a hand to another man. - Just to the sluts & tramps. -- Like you.

375 posted on 04/11/2002 12:16:47 AM PDT by tpaine
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To: #3Fan
No, not new.

"Nazi" was first used in paragraph 13 of Post #1. It was used subsequently in posts 36, 37, 48, 78, 86, 127, 149, 151, 190, and 222 ... before I used it. I didn't even make the top ten ... sigh.

The point being made by many posters is that there is a fairly narrow, but well-defined boundary between proper police protocols, and police abuse. When the police (be they local, state or federal) overstep their bounds (for instance, at Waco and at Ruby Ridge) you see the spector of something not too different from the authoritarian European states of the 1930's and 1940's. Whether you call them jack-booted nazi thugs, or jack-booted fascist thugs makes little difference.

I responded to a comment that suggested in some locale the police would just "take care of the problem" (or something like that) - the suggestion being that they would not be bound by legal or Constitutional requirements ... they would be a law unto themselves. In my book, that's Nazi-ism. I hope I explained it a little bit better. I meant no personal offense.

376 posted on 04/11/2002 12:37:16 AM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: ArneFufkin
Sure fufkin, whatever.
378 posted on 04/11/2002 12:45:16 AM PDT by tpaine
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To: ArneFufkin
'Fembot'? -- Wassat?

-- But in any case arne, stop swaggering about FR like some demented litte dictator, and you won't be compared to one. -- Get it?

380 posted on 04/11/2002 1:05:21 AM PDT by tpaine
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