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Frank Zito says he shot police because they broke his door{ unreasonable search and seizure }
The Star Democrat ^ | April 04, 2002 | By: BRIAN HAAS

Posted on 04/05/2002 8:59:46 PM PST by freespeech1

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To: Texasforever
thanks "HOW TYRANNY CAME TO AMERICA"
21 posted on 04/05/2002 9:25:57 PM PST by freespeech1
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To: Texasforever
lol
22 posted on 04/05/2002 9:26:23 PM PST by freespeech1
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To: freespeech1
I am not t-shirt!!

Oh. But he was, to quote an 'unimpeachable source' "the BEST on fr".

23 posted on 04/05/2002 9:27:14 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: freespeech1
I did a little search on your posts on other threads. What nationality are you? I thought the “bain-wash” may have been just a typo and the I come across “most police chief come from UN”.
24 posted on 04/05/2002 9:28:58 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Cultural Jihad
The two officers went to investigate a noise complaint

She said the only reason she gave the officers the key to Zito's trailer was so they wouldn't break his door and "tear gas" him.

Don't sound like an Eviction.

25 posted on 04/05/2002 9:31:39 PM PST by quietolong
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To: freespeech1
Mom calls cops on noise complaint. Moms gives key to cops to prevent son from tear gassing. Mom goes around to side of trailer to locate son. Mom says "good-bye" to son in court.

What wasn't mentioned: Mom uses local cops like two-dollar whore to rid herself of dullard son. (Way to go, Mom.)

26 posted on 04/05/2002 9:31:59 PM PST by budwiesest
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To: freespeech1
more and more America is a PoliceState

Austin Police WON'T Arrest People Only For Immigration Status (would hurt trusting relationship..)

Maybe not. :)
27 posted on 04/05/2002 9:33:55 PM PST by chance33_98
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To: Texasforever;t-shirt
Main Entry: Bain
Pronunciation: 'bAn
Function: biographical name
Alexander 1818-1903 Scottish psychologist; known for applying findings of physiology to psychology and for improving education in Scotland
28 posted on 04/05/2002 9:36:48 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: freespeech1

If you say so then I guess it is so.

29 posted on 04/05/2002 9:59:45 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Texasforever
In a police state cops are not killed and the killer is not pepper sprayed and arrested. In a police state the perp would have been dead, the cops alive

No, that never happens, not here in the United States.

When Manuel Medina Ramirez, a 63-year-old retired golf-course groundskeeper, was routed from his slumber at 2 AM by armed men breaking down the door of his modest Stockton, CA. home, he instinctively reached for his bedside pistol. Shooting into the darkness, he brought one of the men down; the others returned fire, and Ramirez was shot dead in front of his son and daughter, who had also been awakened.

The armed men turned out to be a Stockton police antidrug team who had obtained a warrant for the house after a friend of the Ramirez family was found with marijuana in his car and gave the police the Ramirez address as his own. "He died not knowing they were police officers," said Maria Ramirez, the victim's 23-year-old daughter.

SALLISAW, OK-The morning began normally with preparations for school, work and a visit from a family member in the small mobile home. Suddenly police burst in, forced everyone to the floor, and fired at an unarmed mother holding her 4-year-old. An infant was only a few feet away. A teen-age daughter passed out in fear when she saw her mother shot.
First Waco, Texas ... then Ruby Ridge, Idaho ... now Sallisaw, Oklahoma?
That's what many locals in a rural town on the Oklahoma-Arkansas border are wondering after an unarmed mother, holding her young child, was shot at close range in her home by police who are now accused of a setup.

MODESTO, Calif. (September 14, 2000) - An 11-year-old Modesto boy was fatally shot early Wednesday morning when police SWAT team officers on a federal narcotics sweep raided his parents' home. Police said the shooting was an accident.

Johnnie Lawmaster returned home last December 16 to find that his front and back doors had been broken down with a battering ram, and his personal papers, legally-registered guns and ammo strewn all over the floor. Furniture was broken and gas, electricity and water had been shut off. The only explanation was a note reading: Nothing Found - ATF. Neighbors informed Lawmaster that 60agents in a joint team of local and state police and the Federal Bureau ofAlcohol, Tobacco, & Firearms had raided the house to search for illegal weapons. Lawmaster's lawyer is demanding to see the affidavit supporting the search warrant, but the Tulsa federal attorney has had it sealed.

William Hauselmann, a 64-year-old retired ranch foreman was wrestled and pinned to the floor of his Oakdale, CA. home by Stanislaus County drug agents as his wife was held at gunpoint in her bathrobe. "They were like bandits -whooping and hollering like they were the ones on drugs," said Marian Hauselmann, 61. The Sheriff's Department admits that the tip that led to the raid was "180 degress wrong."

Retirees Marian and William Hauselmann say their worst vice is that they eat too much bratwurst. But in November, a SWAT team with ski masks kicked down the doors of their Oakdale, Ca. home and held them at gunpoint for 45 minutesas they searched for drugs. The Sheriff's Department now admits that the informant's tip which led them to the house was "180 degrees wrong." But the Hauselmann's still have nightmares. "They put a pillowcase on my head and handcuffed me and forced me to stay on the floor," says Marian. "My husband and I tried to speak and they screamed to shut up. It was the worst thing that ever happened to us."

Alberto Sepulveda is no Elian Gonzalez. When 11-year-old Sepulveda was shot and killed by a SWAT team member during an early morning drug raid on his parents' Modesto home, the story barely made the papers. Yet, as did the Immigration and Naturalization Service raid on the Gonzalez home in Miami in May, the killing of Alberto Sepulveda highlights a troubling trend in law enforcement: stealth raids on the homes of sleeping citizens by heavily armed government agents.
Such raids are the hallmark of police states, not free societies, but as a growing number of Americans can attest, the experiences of these two boys are by no means isolated incidents.
Just ask the widow of Mario Paz. She was asleep with her husband in their Compton home at 11 p.m. in August 1999 when 20 members of the local SWAT team shot the locks off the front and back doors and stormed inside. Moments later, Mario Paz was dead, shot twice in the back, and his wife was outside, half-naked in handcuffs. The SWAT team had a warrant to search a neighbor's house for drugs, but Mario Paz was not listed on it. No drugs were found, and no member of the family was charged with any crime.

And then there is Denver resident Ismael Mena, a 45-year-old father of nine, killed last September in his bedroom by SWAT team members who stormed the wrong house.
Or Ramon Gallardo of Dinuba, Calif., shot 15 times in 1997 by a SWAT team with a warrant for his son.
Or the Rev. Accelyne Williams of Boston, 75, who died of a heart attack in 1994 after a Boston SWAT team executing a drug warrant burst into the wrong apartment.

HOUSTON (AP) - One of six officers involved in a drug raid shooting that left one man dead fired his pistol at the suspect until his magazine was empty, reloaded and resumed firing, the Houston Chronicle reported today.
The newspaper quoted unidentified sources familiar with the investigation, saying Officer David R. Barrera fired 24 of the 33 shots discharged in Pedro Oregon Navarro's apartment during the July 12 raid. Oregon died from that hail of bullets.
The six gang task force members raided Oregon's apartment early the morning of July 12 on the tip from an informant who had just been pulled over for public intoxication. The informant said drugs were being sold at the apartment.
Without a warrant, officers kicked in his bedroom door and shot Oregon, a father of two. They said he had pointed a gun at them, but it had not been fired. No drugs were found in the apartment.

These are just a few of the police abuses I found. Anyone who does not believe we are living in a police state is in a serious state of denial.

30 posted on 04/05/2002 10:02:08 PM PST by ActionNewsBill
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To: ActionNewsBill
I've seen all those before. Why not keep the list up to date? I am sure there have been thousands of new "police state" shootings by now.
31 posted on 04/05/2002 10:05:03 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
I've seen all those before.

My guess is that you were cheering those as well.

32 posted on 04/05/2002 10:09:44 PM PST by ActionNewsBill
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To: ActionNewsBill
My guess is that you were cheering those as well.

But they are too few and far between. Some police state. Hurmphhh!!!

33 posted on 04/05/2002 10:11:56 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Cultural Jihad
When the police conduct a warrentless entry, search, and seizure, in is incumbent upon them to show cause. Every person has a Fourth Amendment expectation that neither their person, possessions, or dwelling will be illegally searched. There is no allegation that there was anything in or on the property, in plain sight, that would give the police grounds for such a warrentless entry. Nor was there (according to the article) a life threatening situation. Nor is there a suggestion that the landlord had served proper papers prior to a legal eviction. Nor is any person obligated or required to let police into the dwelling.

The article does mention that there was a "noise complaint" made, but the investigation of a noise complaint does not justify an illegal entry. The article also mentions "threats" in a couple of places. It is not clear who threatened whom, nor is it clearly stated that the police identified themselves prior to attempting the entry.

The whole incident is a bad situation and, in retrospect, was completely avoidable. It is sad that two officers were shot down by a person who may be a nutcase. It is also sad when anyone's Constitutional rights are trampled upon.

35 posted on 04/05/2002 10:15:49 PM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: Texasforever
But they are too few and far between. Some police state. Hurmphhh!!!

By all means, let's have these incidents more often.

Look, I'm not saying the situation here is comparable to Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union (not yet, anyways), but there is a disturbing trend towards more and more of this kind of out-of-control police behavior.

36 posted on 04/05/2002 10:22:22 PM PST by ActionNewsBill
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To: ActionNewsBill
Look, I'm not saying the situation here is comparable to Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union (not yet, anyways), but there is a disturbing trend towards more and more of this kind of out-of-control police behavior.

Oh I see, we are not quite as bad as Nazi Germany. Well damn, you almost had me convinced.

37 posted on 04/05/2002 10:25:48 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: freespeech1
There are several asspects of the different sides of this story that just don't seem to macth up.
38 posted on 04/05/2002 10:27:15 PM PST by fella
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To: capitan_refugio
When the police conduct a warrentless entry, search, and seizure, in is incumbent upon them to show cause

The police were given the key to the house by the owner of the house. Don't get so upset. Hell two cops are dead for violating his "rights". I mean that is worth something isn't it?

39 posted on 04/05/2002 10:32:40 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
The police were given the key to the house by the owner of the house.

Means nothing. She wasn't the occupant,therefore she didn't have the legal right to give the police permission to enter without a warrant. Entry without a warrant is the same as breaking and entering a occupied dwelling.

40 posted on 04/05/2002 11:35:36 PM PST by sneakypete
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