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Evolution: What is it? (long article)
Information Central ^ | Craig McClarren

Posted on 04/04/2002 10:05:32 AM PST by Heartlander

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To: BMCDA
Tsk, tsk I thought you know that every orbit with an eccentricity of e>0.01 is considered to be wildly elliptical by real astronomers ;-P

Careful; there are some around here who will think you're serious....

601 posted on 04/06/2002 4:06:33 PM PST by longshadow
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To: longshadow
D'oh! I should have thought of that.
602 posted on 04/06/2002 4:13:04 PM PST by BMCDA
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To: BMCDA; RadioAstronomer; Doctor Stochastic
The Molniya orbit is ludicrously elliptical....

I'm thinking it is time we set forth the exact criteria for characterizing elliptical Orbits, so that folks like "G3K" won't be so confused in the future:

Orbital Eccentricity | Correct Scientific Adjective


0.0.................................Really, really round

0.0 < e < 0.25..................Slightly elliptical

0.25 < e < 0.50..................Moderately elliptical

0.50 < e < 0.75..................Highly elliptical

0.75 < e < 0.90..................Ludicrously elliptical

0.90 < e < 0.99..................Unbelieveably elliptical

0.99 < e < 1.0...................Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!


Note: these terms are only valid in the CGS system. Contact the National Bureau of Standards for an equivalent formulation for the English "furlongs-per-fortnight" measurement system. Your mileage may vary. No deposit/no return. One organism, one vote. Live Free or Die.
603 posted on 04/06/2002 4:47:44 PM PST by longshadow
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To: longshadow
hehehe... excellent
604 posted on 04/06/2002 5:05:24 PM PST by BMCDA
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To: longshadow
Maybe we can have "wildly elliptical" as "oscillating in a straight line back and forth, e = 2.0 (defined).

Of course, not too many planets actually do that.

605 posted on 04/06/2002 5:08:26 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
Maybe we can have "wildly elliptical" as "oscillating in a straight line back and forth, e = 2.0 (defined).

Actually, we can't do that. e>=1.0 has very specific meaning; behold:


e=0 ................=> circular orbit

0 < e < 1.0 ...... => elliptical orbit

e = 1.0 ......... => parabolic trajectory

1.0 < e ......... => hyperbolic trajectory


Note that for e greater than or equal to 1.0, it isn't an orbit at all, meaning the object appears once, never to return.

The difference between a parabolic and hyperbolic trajectory is this: an object in a parabolic trajectory (which can be thought of as being on the boundary between elliptical orbits and hyperbolic trajectories) will have a velocity that approaches 0 as time approaches infinity. That is to say their kinetic energy is exactly equal to the work that must be done to overcome the graviational attraction it experiences. Objects in hyperbolic trajectories have an excess of kinetic energy, and thus their velocities will NEVER reach zero, even in an infinite amount of time. In fact, their velocities will asymptotically approach some constant value, in the limit, as time tends to infinity.

606 posted on 04/06/2002 5:29:10 PM PST by longshadow
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To: VadeRetro
Forgot to add to the preceding reply that all elliptical orbits have eccentricities lying between 0 and 1. If the eccentricity is equal or greater than 1, it isn't elliptical (in fact it isn't an "orbit"; it's a one-time trajectory).
607 posted on 04/06/2002 5:32:29 PM PST by longshadow
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To: longshadow
Joking. Too much wine with dinner.

I gather that hyperbolic coincides with "escape velocity."

608 posted on 04/06/2002 5:37:57 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
I gather that hyperbolic coincides with "escape velocity."

Escape velocity = parabolic trajectory.

Greater than escape velocity = hyperbolic

less than escape velocity = elliptical

No more wine for you tonite!

609 posted on 04/06/2002 5:44:24 PM PST by longshadow
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To: longshadow
Wine good! (But need nap now.)
610 posted on 04/06/2002 5:45:35 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: longshadow; vaderetro; junior
I don't know why you guys are arguing over this... Junior created this whole mess; he can clean it up.

IF, of course, he can be bothered to climb off of his throne and set us straight.

Well, your Majesty? Definitively, what values of e, respectively, are defined by the terms "wildly elliptic", "aggressively elliptic", "naughty but elliptic", and "Walker, Texas Ranger"?

;^P

611 posted on 04/06/2002 6:53:36 PM PST by Condorman
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To: VadeRetro
No-Kin-To-Monkeys than allow that a fellow C would b!tch-slap him for jumping in with his lawyerly razzle-dazzle.

Such colorful language, you seem to have a special insight into the psyche of No-kin. By the way where is he?

612 posted on 04/06/2002 7:00:36 PM PST by AndrewC
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To: VadeRetro
Yet another case in which a fashion ripples through the C ranks: accusing the Es of impersonation.

I believe it was the E's that brought that charge into being, along with Sparticus(sic). You E's nearly all confessed. And you've had the gall to accuse others of what you do. Hypocrite.

613 posted on 04/06/2002 7:12:15 PM PST by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC
I believe it was the E's that brought that charge into being, along with Sparticus(sic). [snip] [emphasis added]

If you are referring to me, I think you may have confused an important distinction.

614 posted on 04/06/2002 7:27:11 PM PST by longshadow
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To: longshadow
If you are referring to me, I think you may have confused an important distinction.

Maybe I should have been more explicit and labeled it with < sarcasm> < /sarcasm>. You are not the entity in question, but you have insinuated yourself in a "serious" allegation perhaps inadvertently but since you are responding to a post not mentioning your name nor addressed to you, you do display that involvement. The seriousness of the allegation depends on your viewpoint. As I have pointed out before, the general guidelines "prohibit" the playing of games viz. --Don't play games - Don't represent yourself as another person,

I am blunt to be clear. I have no animosity to you and hope that this will be taken only in the context of clarity.

615 posted on 04/06/2002 7:53:11 PM PST by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC
...the psyche of No-kin. By the way where is he?

Cloaked.

616 posted on 04/06/2002 7:56:19 PM PST by Nebullis
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To: Nebullis
Cloaked.

Is that the Oriental pronunciation?

617 posted on 04/06/2002 7:57:42 PM PST by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC
One of my earlier mentors was Japanese: "RNA polymerase"...
618 posted on 04/06/2002 8:00:11 PM PST by Nebullis
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To: VadeRetro, AndrewC
...a fellow C would b!tch-slap [AndrewC] for jumping in with his lawyerly razzle-dazzle.

I'm sorry, VR, but this puts you squarely in a camp of oddities. That you would continue to play that No-Kin is C-sider is not funny. It's weird. Pathologic.

619 posted on 04/06/2002 8:08:59 PM PST by Nebullis
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To: PatrickHenry
There are billions of people who are not athiests but are not fundamentalist Christian. There are also many non-believers who are not athiests. G3Ks crowd makes up less than one percent of those currently alive. and a tiny fraction of one percent of those who have ever lived.
620 posted on 04/06/2002 8:10:24 PM PST by js1138
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