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Fighting Facts With Slander
LR ^ | Thomas J. DiLorenzo

Posted on 04/02/2002 9:45:23 PM PST by VinnyTex

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To: davidjquackenbush
But the Democrats HATED protectionism. So why did Buchanan have no problem with the Morrill Tariff of 1861?

From #513 - "The Morrill Tariff was implemented as a direct response to the fiscal crisis created by the Buchanan administration." Wasn't there an economic failure in 1857 that affected industry, banks and industrialized jobs? The South wasn't against tariff;s per se - the government had to get money from somewhere. They just didn't want to be robbed, or subsidize northern interests. Some protectionism was good - primarily to give Northern industry a chance to become competitive, but not keep them on welfare forever.

DiLorenzo clearly implies, and selects, and twists, evidence, to suggest precisely the opposite. And carefully omits to tell us that Buchanan, not Lincoln, signed the bill. Because this would give away his fantasy.

From #506 - "Lincoln may have had very little to do with the tariff in an official capacity, but as the leader of the Republican Party one has to assume that Lincoln the master politician was involved in the political maneuvering over the tariff."

If it had been me, I would have documented all the tariffs that Lincoln did support.

541 posted on 04/12/2002 2:38:43 PM PDT by 4CJ
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To: VinnyTex
BUMP
542 posted on 04/12/2002 2:53:08 PM PDT by Aurelius
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
"The Morrill Tariff was implemented as a direct response to the fiscal crisis created by the Buchanan administration." Wasn't there an economic failure in 1857 that affected industry, banks and industrialized jobs? The South wasn't against tariff;s per se - the government had to get money from somewhere. They just didn't want to be robbed, or subsidize northern interests. Some protectionism was good - primarily to give Northern industry a chance to become competitive, but not keep them on welfare forever.

I agree with the first three sentences, so far as I know the history. The final one, that "some protectionism was good" I don't recognize as a Southern position, but I don't disagree with the South in rejecting it. What's the point? I think you are agreeing that the 1861 bill appears to have been acceptable to North and South, and a response to the revenue shortage from the 1857 panic and tariff act.

So, in conclusion, we agree that DiLorenzo's presentation of this tariff act of 1861, as a Republican/Lincoln/northern/protectionist revolution, is mendacious, or stupid, or . . .? And

543 posted on 04/12/2002 3:50:08 PM PDT by davidjquackenbush
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To: Aurelius
Have you had a chance to read DiLorenzo yet?

Any comment on the particular questions we've been discussing?

Passages from the book that you find particularly convincing and well-argued?

544 posted on 04/12/2002 3:54:43 PM PDT by davidjquackenbush
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Patience, patience. Patience is a virtue - not one of mine, I have to admit.
545 posted on 04/12/2002 3:57:54 PM PDT by Aurelius
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To: Aurelius
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
546 posted on 04/12/2002 4:09:42 PM PDT by davidjquackenbush
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No need to apologize. Not at all.
547 posted on 04/12/2002 7:44:07 PM PDT by Aurelius
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
I missed your post on the history of the constitutionality of the bank until tonight. Sorry.

I'm sure you understood this, but just to make sure -- my only claim is that it is deceptive, as you note, for DiLorenzo to suggest that Neely says Lincoln was "seething" with anger at being blocked by the constitution when the Neely clearly says that Lincoln was frustrated at what he thought the ignorant error of those who didn't SEE that the bank WAS constitutional.

548 posted on 04/13/2002 12:54:40 AM PDT by davidjquackenbush
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