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FOX News Question of the Day--Is what is happening in the middle east the same as 9/11?
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Posted on 04/02/2002 8:19:22 AM PST by liberalism=failure

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To: liberalism=failure
It seems we and Israel have a COMMON enemy does it not?

We are very close to that point after years of giving billions in military material to Israel which they use against civilians, vetoing UN resolutions that Israel dislikes, etc. To make Israel's war our war is, of course, the fondest desire of the Israel-first gang in Washington (and here at FR). One-quarter of the world's population is Muslim (including some 5 million here in the US). There are those who would risk war with them all (who,indeed, are hoping for just that) for the benefit of a foreign country. Others just can't wait for the atomic holocaust which will herald the Second Coming. To which group do you belong?

61 posted on 04/03/2002 11:54:55 AM PST by Seti 1
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To: Ghost of Jefferson
The same, as in demagoguery on all sides and no reason being employed by anyone? Yes, it's the same.

Yeah, you're right, no one should be allowed to defend themselves when attacked and we should all lay down and let the ragheads kill us.

63 posted on 04/03/2002 2:09:49 PM PST by liberalism=failure
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To: Seti 1
In the meantime the wailing and breast beating continues for the hundreds of Israeli dead but not for the thousands of Palestinian dead (not to mention the million Iraqi dead).

Most of the Palestinians deserve to be dead.

And the million Iraqi dead are Saddam's fault.

64 posted on 04/03/2002 2:12:47 PM PST by liberalism=failure
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To: Seti 1
We are very close to that point after years of giving billions in military material to Israel which they use against civilians,

Uh, No, you have that backwards its the PALESTINIANS who attack civilians

To make Israel's war our war is, of course, the fondest desire of the Israel-first gang in Washington (and here at FR).

The idiot ragheads want us to STOP Israel. Most of us sane non jew-hating people (sorry but that excludes you dear) just want us to speak the truth about Arafat, and get out of the way and let them handle this themselves.

One-quarter of the world's population is Muslim (including some 5 million here in the US). There are those who would risk war with them all (who,indeed, are hoping for just that) for the benefit of a foreign country.

I guess you forgot something brainiac. it is WE who were attacked by Muslims. Muslims that according to documents discovered at Arafat's are connected with the Muslims blowing themselves up to kill Israelis, you idiot. They chose to make war with us, not the other way around.

Others just can't wait for the atomic holocaust which will herald the Second Coming. To which group do you belong?

Neither, I belong to the group that thought, "We shall make no distinction between the terrorists and those who harbor them." were truly remarkable words worthy of being in American history books from now on. I just want him to honor them by admitting the truth that Arafat IS a terrorist, and that what is going on in Israel is the quivalent of 9-11, and then get out of the way and let Israel do this whatever way it wants.

But speaking of wondering. I'm wondering which are YOU? A Jew hater from the idiot Buchanen Brigades. Or a Raghead terrorist apologist?

66 posted on 04/03/2002 2:39:26 PM PST by liberalism=failure
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To: Ghost of Jefferson
Further demagoguery and lack of reason.

No, that wasn't demogoguery, that was me mocking your stupidity.

67 posted on 04/03/2002 2:41:35 PM PST by liberalism=failure
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To: liberalism=failure
Thank you for having both the insight and the critical thinking to see the essence of this issue.

It is a rare commodity in the liberal camp as I am sure you've noticed.

Your passion is admirable, but maybe us conservatives need to focus on what is most important. First and foremost, that the reigns of power are firmly in our grasp, without which we can achieve nothing.

The vast majority of voters are sheep-people. We all know them. They buy what Oprah tells them to buy. They prefer a life of few, or no, decisions. Thinking itself is a burden.

Changing their opinion is not possible - sheeple simply don't own one.

But you can change the song they bleet.

As a dumb animal when cornered is a formidable opponent, directly accusing sheeple of stupidity may not be the most effective tool of persuasion and can be counterproductive.

As much as I would prefer to teach them too, it seems the only option is to re-program them.

As such, maybe we should concentrate most on offering them a new, catchy, tune.

68 posted on 04/03/2002 3:28:32 PM PST by Stallone
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To: Seti 1
I weep for the Israeli dead.

And the Palestinian dead.

And the Iraqui dead.

And when my eyes dry, I look back, and I see...

I see the Iraqi citizens, subjects to a dictator. He feeds their hatred, but not their bodies. He kills his own people by the thousands. And, when he has finished this, he takes money for food and buys weapons and palaces. And his people starve. And he blames Israel, and the United States.

I see the Palestinians. Payed lip service by every Arabian country, yet denied a place by any Arabian country. Hundreds of thousands of square miles of open land, but it cannot be spared. Not by Jordan, not by the Saudi's, not by Iran or Syria or Iraq. And, since they cannot offer their brothers land, or food, they offer instead hatred and weapons. And, thus armed they look for a target, someone to blame. Shall they blame the people who surround them? Whose hatreds and warlike, xenophobic policies have left them abandoned on the desert? Nonsense. These are fellow People of Islam. How can they be blamed when the obvious culprit sits there in the desert. Occupying a fifth of a percent of that total area. Israel is to blame. Oh yes, and their friends in the United States.

And I see a country. A country which, alone among its neighbors, has maintained at least a semblance of civilized rule, and democracy. A country whose Arab citizens have more rights, more privileges under the law, than any of their neighboring citizens do in their own countries, under their own rulers. I see a country whose citizens die by the hundreds each year. Proportionately, a 9/11 every year or two. Die not in combat, facing an enemy, but in worship, at a meal, at a dance. I see a people who, when faced with genocide, were abandoned by the 'civilized' world. Who, when again faced with genocide, seem a bit wary of 'peace offerings,' and 'accords'. And when her children die at prayer to a cowards whim, and a fanatics zeal, when worship is not safe, when even eating a meal means taking one's life in one's hands, when this happens, who can Israel blame? Why, blame yourself, Israel is told, your own actions brought you here. Blame yourself, oh, and blame America, too.

I see.

I see barbarians masquerading as men. The Bedouin sheiks made wealthy by the very culture they so despise, yet would these men, Luddite in every other way, eschew their technological luxuries? Would they forsake the wealth brought to them by the industrialized world, and the foolish civilizations who believe it better to trade with a partner than to conquer? No. They enjoy their wealth, and buy with it a seat at the table of civilization. A seat they have earned with neither words nor deeds in the past century and a half.

And so, my weeping is short. Because, laid out on the table of discourse was peace. And the barbarians spurned it. They could do nothing else. For a barbarian cannot coexist with civilization. He must enslave it, or be absorbed by it. And so it will be with the Palestinians. They are barbarians. They seek to take with force what they could not earn with deeds a century ago. A patch of wasteland, turned into farmland by a displaced people who have committed the great crime of Existing.

Because if there is one thing to take out of this entire affair, it is this: that to a muslim, the greatest crime a Jew or a Christian can commit, is to exist. It is a capital crime, punishable by death.

Weeping? I would have wept ten years ago. Before Hussein built palaces and weapons instead of feeding his own people. I might still have wept five years ago, when the Israelis occupied lands claimed by others.

But now I see dead children in restaurants and discotheques.

I see the world's loss in what was once an engineering marvel, and is now only a mass grave in New York.

And I can weep no more for Islam.

They have burnt me dry. Ask me not for sympathy; I have no more to give. Let them pray to their deity. Their heresy. I have no more respect for any aspect of their life.

69 posted on 04/03/2002 7:25:03 PM PST by Mr. Thorne
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