Posted on 03/30/2002 2:37:53 AM PST by vooch
You are citing old and tired reports from the pro-Nato media and other Nato-friendly sources which we all saw at the time. Including your beloved 'Kosova Press'. Do you know how racist the KLA is, by the way? They would not only like to kill every non-Albanian but also every Albanian who doesn't support them. What do you think of that?
Reports during the bombing were made (except for a few exceptions which you certainly haven't read) when propaganda was very much a tool of Nato. Even some of these reports couldn't avoid revealing 'awkward' facts, such as the start of the refugee flow after the start of the bombing. You pointed us to reports which are, frankly, useless and outdated. Why don't you quote sources after the bombing, after the 'liberation', and after the hysteria?
I can find 20 Campbell-sponsored features in the British press during the attack and immediately after. There is no research involved in that. I can also find plenty of photos of dead people, including those from all groups murdered after the 'liberation'.
If you'd been on FR for the past 3 years you would have seen lengthy discussions about most of them (except Beano level tabloid 'newspaper' reports which aren't even worth comment). In most cases they were superseded by other reports which made them irrelevant even to the source itself! Notice how none of the mainstream media are referring back to their own 'exclusive mass murder' etc. stories from 1999.
Do you know how visibly Albanian you have become over your past few posts?
You have 'visited Yugoslavia' and yet not met any Serbs?
You cite 'Kosova' sources and you (as a 'Brit') give a damn about Albanian independence??
Strangely not a word about the thousands murdered by the KLA from all ethnic groups.
Strange again that you seem to want a mono-ethnic Kosovo.
By the way, do not flame us with your rubbish. If you want to respond then do it in one or two posts, not 5 or 10 which is just being disruptive. If you want to post new items, then start a new thread.
And please don't besmirch the name of British people even further. Do you know, by the way, that the Yugoslavian monarchy is related to the British monarchy through Queen Victoria? As A 'Brit' you may even share some blood with the 'many Serbs' who you believe to be 'war criminals'. Wouldn't that be ironic?
[Re. the question of Milosevic and Communism: The Western media is not an authority on who is and isn't a Communist. I said that it was 'widely recognised' that Milosevic is not a Communist (but that his wife arguably is). This is because his philosophy has veered way off course from Communism over the years. This is not the sort of discussion to be answered with 'well CNN/BBC said he was, so there!'. I would enter into a proper discussion about this with you, but I am intimidated by your intense intellect and wit!]
"It was obviously not Wm Walker who pulled the strings on this operation," said one of the 1,400 verification monitors who wished to remain anonymous."
Not another interview from an anonymous source, posted on a website with impeccable unbiased credentials.International Committee to Defend Slobodan Milosevic
Got to go now, another time, another place.
If you return you can actually answer my question about your 'visit to Yugoslavia' when you failed to meet a single Serbian person. Or why you as 'A'Brit' are so concerned to support the KLA? Simple questions x 2.
Take a deep breath and reach deep into your imagination... I really do want to know where that place was and why a 'British' person would be pro Albanian independence even now?
??x2 ;o)
No complaint is necessary, you can see the visible grief in the photos – not faked: Convoys of Kosovo Albanians bombed; 85 dead
Don't confuse futility with a lack of resolve and resourcefulness on your part - once you've made your points, don't feel you need to respond unless there's some merit in the rebuttals, else you'll just go round and round in circles with this bunch.
At the end of the day, Milosevic is in the Hague, his party is out of power, all his territorial gains have been reversed and Serb Nationalism has been defanged. The fact that you cannot convince the remaining detritus of his defenders of his culpability for his current straights is irrelevant.
Hoplite, you and I disagree about virtually all of this, but you know that this joker who says that it's okay to murder 'Serbs' in 'retribution'; that anyone who was against the bombing is a 'holocaust denier'; that he's 'visited Yugoslavia' but not met any Serbs; who quotes The Daily Mirror (UK) from during the bombing as his source material... this is all way beneath you as well (I would hope).
Until that time, however, we're better off just agreeing to disagree while we continue to research the issues independently, regardless of the continual bumping of heads that will ensue.
I don't know ABrit, nor have I sounded him out on any of these issues - but it appears that we subscribe to the same "rough history", ergo, I merely point out that equal and opposite forces are no different than a brick wall, as far as one's head is concerned.
Ultimately, like the mystery of the Katyn Forest, time will reveal who did what. We've placed our bets - and may we be smart enough to fold a losing hand rather than continuing to bluff after all the cards are face up on the table.
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