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BUSH'S REAL OPPOSITION: REPUBLICAN CONSERVATIVES
news/op/ed ^ | 3/28/2002 | Richard Reeves

Posted on 03/29/2002 3:08:59 PM PST by TLBSHOW

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To: Howlin;Torie
Well it is 2 am in these parts, and I think I will retire at this point. You folks in Yorba Linda, and the rest of the Left Coast will have to carry on. I will just stop in on some middle eastern thread and kick a little more dirt on Arafat, then sign off. Bye now!
561 posted on 03/29/2002 10:03:13 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: seamole
You are talking about 2 different polls as I recall and no it was not 2 to 1 that it would hurt him. I would again assume you have the official numbers at hand because you would NEVER exaggerate to make a point. When I last looked now, I could be wrong and admit it when you post the actual results which I am sure you will, the vast majority was shoo-in, help or no effect.
562 posted on 03/29/2002 10:03:43 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Torie
Oh I know that.....they don't know that. All I've heard all day long is how Bush's daddy got him all the money he needed to win; I voted for Bob Dole but I did NOT give money, you can believe that.

That's the difference in me and them; when the nominee is picked, I vote for them, even if he wasn't my first choice.

563 posted on 03/29/2002 10:04:08 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
It's 2 a.m. here, too, but I don't have the good sense you do!
564 posted on 03/29/2002 10:04:49 PM PST by Howlin
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To: rbmillerjr
Sorry to sadden you that I know several other strong supporters that are waiting for Bush to earn their votes.

It just doesn't matter; Bush will have more support next time than you could possibly take away.

The one thing you all fail to acknowledge is that George W. Bush is the president of ALl the people in this country -- even the people you don't like. And more people like him now than ever did.

565 posted on 03/29/2002 10:06:30 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin
It's 2 a.m. here, too

My heavens, another shattered illusion, for some reason I thought you were somewhere out in La-La land! My bad!

566 posted on 03/29/2002 10:07:49 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Torie
Most of them. I call them as I see them. I grant you the NY Times and LA Times are hopeless.

OK .. I'll correct my post .. I'm sure there was good press .. but the Big Papers were not favorable .. but then they are owned by liberals with an agenda of their own

567 posted on 03/29/2002 10:08:01 PM PST by Mo1
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
No, I'm near you........ha! Be very afraid!
568 posted on 03/29/2002 10:09:32 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
somewhere out in La-La land

Watch it, or I will begin commenting about that state where the garbage meets the sea.

569 posted on 03/29/2002 10:09:54 PM PST by Torie
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To: LS
First, any one of these "low level" investigations you suggest Bush/Ashcroft undertake would not be done in a vacuum. The press would be all over this like ugly on an ape. You won't like what I'm about to say, but it's the truth: instantly the press and the Dems would say this is all about Clinton.

So let them. Are we ALWAYS going to run in fear of the press? If that's the case then you have already lost the war because I have news for you ... the press ALREADY don't like the GOP and ALREADY attack anything the GOP does. You move-on'ers allowed democRATS to own the schools, own the entertainment industry, own the media and NOW you are proposing to let them own what gets investigated by the courts too! Pathetic.

But in any case, I think you are wrong. I think that the mainstream media will be very much on the defensive. As I said earlier, look what happened when Pardongate surfaced. Because of Fox News (and certainly you are not suggesting that THEY will say this is just about Clinton), the mainstream media will be facing tough questions about why they never told the American people that some of these things even occurred.

For example, Fox News is the ONLY TV news body that I know of that covered the Riady non-refund in any way. The media took a lot of criticism over not reporting what happened in Pardongate. This would be tens times worse because it is ten times more serious and ten times more provable. Likewise the media have for the most part NEVER covered even a portion of the details in Filegate ... the testimony of the witnesses that implicated not only the DNC but Hillary.

In fact, in the Ron Brown case, some in the media are probably legally culpable. The Black Entertainment Television network just dropped the Ron Brown matter ... right after they got done proving on live TV that the government representative ... the one who did the examination of Brown's body ... was LYING about the facts in the case. On TV he was confronted with evidence that proved he was LYING, forced to change his story and claim he was just "mistaken" about the things he said led him to conclude that Brown died by blunt force trauma. Someone in the FBI should investigate why they would just drop such a blockbuster story. Could it have something to do with the FACT that black leaders received some big grants from the Whitehouse at just that moment? And someone in the FBI should look into why the rest of the mainstream media never even mentioned what was going on in the Ron Brown case. Credible allegations that a Secretary of Commerce was murdered and the media doesn't even report it? You think they will fair well if they try and use this against the GOP? They'll end up under indictment for aiding and abetting a coverup.

Now, we just had a post that the Starr/Ray investigations cost $70 million. Do you really think that that is going to fly with the public? To spend another $30 million hunting down people who are going to be defended by all the Dems as "persecuted because of their association with Clinton?"

Should we care? Bill Clinton spent more than that on one single boondoogle to Africa. He almost spent that much on the toilet he airlifted to China for his wife. You show that his party was involved in the KILLING of 35+ people in order to KILL Ron Brown, a Secretary of Commerce, in order to keep him from talking about the TENS OF MILLIONS of foreign dollars the democRAT party ILLEGALLY added to their campaign coffers in order to STEAL a presidential election and the LAST thing that will be on the minds of the public will be the cost of the investigation. Only a democRAT would suggest otherwise.

This is why it is kookburger stuff.

And there you go, resorting to the tactics that democRATS ALWAYS use. Run from the facts and call it kooky. You didn't answer one question I asked. You just repeated the same things you said before.

I don't care what grand laws you think were broken (remember, you will get an equal number of Dems and media types to say no laws were broken),

Since when does the fact that criminals will say that no laws were broken affect whether to investigate? I think by this statement your true views are revealed. I don't think you believe any laws were broken. I say it again ... would you like to debate the facts in any cases I mentioned? I bet you won't. I'll bet you run from those facts like democRATS ALWAYS do. You even appear to ridicule the idea that election tampering with foreign money, giving the DNC access to Republican FBI files and MURDERING government leaders are important laws. Well I think only a democRAT would make such a statement or imply that no laws were broken. Only a democRAT.

the the public rightly or wrongly is fed up.

No. The public is in the dark. They haven't been told the truth about the really serious crimes that were committed. They were deceived into thinking it was just about sex. It is the GOPs responsibility to inform them of the real truth by using the courts ... the only weapon they have left and one which you move-on'ers just want to surrender ... to do it. Then the public isn't going to be fed up ... they are going to be mad ... as mad as they were after Watergate.

In a democratic republic, the people get what they want, and believe me, they want to drop this stuff.

Spoken like a democRAT ... not a REPUBLICan. I thought that we in the GOP believe our LEADERS should do what is RIGHT rather than what the public thinks AT THE MOMENT.

You would not find one iota of support (I doubt less than 1% of the voting population) who would support going after Riady.

Is that BEFORE or AFTER an investigation? Is that BEFORE or AFTER the public is even told about the Riady non-refund. I dare you ... list the number of news sources that have even mentioned it. I dare you. Take this to court and even the mainstream press will not be able to ignore it.

Most people would view this as a complete waste of money, and a diversion from our rather important job now of seeing that 9/11 doesn't recur.

Out of curiousity, what do YOU think we are fighting for?

570 posted on 03/29/2002 10:11:45 PM PST by BeAChooser
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To: Howlin
It just doesn't matter; Bush will have more support next time than you could possibly take away.

Very well, I guess I wont have to judge his policies as a means of deciding who to vote for. You better hope for political expediency that the war continues. Of course what are a few military guys lives if it means putting King George into office again, right?

571 posted on 03/29/2002 10:11:52 PM PST by rbmillerjr
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To: seamole
Thanks to CFR, Bush is the last President ever to be elected without the media's endorsement.

He had their endorsement early on. He was their lesser of two evils in the GOP primaries. Think a moment who do you think the media prefer the GOP elect in a primary? A Conservative or a Moderate who is Dem friendly? No they didn't want him as POTUS. But they didn't want Forbes or Keyes as the GOP canidate either.

572 posted on 03/29/2002 10:11:56 PM PST by cva66snipe
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To: Mo1;Howlin
You know what I mean, media exposure. Exposure in debates, of which Bush and Gore were given the priority due to the two party gestapo-system.

Don't act like it's not true.

573 posted on 03/29/2002 10:16:09 PM PST by FreedomFriend
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To: rbmillerjr
Of course what are a few military guys lives if it means putting King George into office again, right?

Statements like that make you look very, very petty. Besides, they make my teeth itch. Stop it.

574 posted on 03/29/2002 10:16:18 PM PST by Howlin
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To: FreedomFriend
Let me guess: you're a Keyester.
575 posted on 03/29/2002 10:16:52 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin
If you think another person's life is petty, that on you.
576 posted on 03/29/2002 10:17:36 PM PST by rbmillerjr
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To: Common Tator
Good argument. You neglected Woodrow Wilson and Lyndon Johnson who were both able to make a great impact in a very short time. But the reasons this happened fit into your scheme.

What made Reagan possible was the failures of liberal policies at home and abroad and the great changes that were going on in the country. As a nation we seem to have digested and assimilated a lot of the last generation's social changes. And with Republicans in the White House for something like 22 of the last 33 years one can't maintain that we are wholly the outsiders with great reforms up our sleeves waiting to be applied. Some reforms are possible and some would be desirable, but it would be a mistake to assume that the elan of the Reagan years is still there.

577 posted on 03/29/2002 10:17:37 PM PST by x
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To: TLBSHOW
Does everyone lurk here? Bush bashers, you are falling into the democrat rat trap for this up coming election. Wake up all of you, and see the truth and it will set you free. The truth is the far left is inducing apathy through disillusion. 1 posted on 3/29/02 4:08 PM Pacific by TLBSHOW

The problem is that BUSH is scewing up which is helping the dumbocrats.

578 posted on 03/29/2002 10:18:29 PM PST by antidemocommie
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To: rbmillerjr
To imply that George W. Bush would continue a war and sacrifice young men's lives for it is just plain vile.

I realize you have nothing left to argue with though. But it does prove you're willing to say anything to prove you're morally superior to everybody.

579 posted on 03/29/2002 10:19:53 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Again, the two-party system is built into the framework of which third party candidates are biased out of debates. Thus, with that being the case, and with the media covering these issues, the framework of the "front leaders" is set, and it continues until the election.

If you'll notice, the media starts eliminating candidates long before the primaries, and they actively work to encourage candidates to bail-out of the campaign. They do this through harboring on poll numbers practically every day, and it sets a conscienceness within party voters of "who's our best bet". Thus, the media practically dictates who people vote for.

580 posted on 03/29/2002 10:19:54 PM PST by FreedomFriend
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