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BUSH'S REAL OPPOSITION: REPUBLICAN CONSERVATIVES
news/op/ed ^ | 3/28/2002 | Richard Reeves

Posted on 03/29/2002 3:08:59 PM PST by TLBSHOW

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To: LS
Many of us Libertarians are more conservative than many so-called Conservatives.
41 posted on 03/29/2002 4:01:43 PM PST by Eagle Eye
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To: TLBSHOW
Like Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan before him, ...

Lets all hope he is just like them in that he wins two terms.

42 posted on 03/29/2002 4:01:58 PM PST by Phlap
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To: LS
Ever heard of non land-based missiles?

I wouldn't call Churchill a liberal. But I wouldn't call him the great man that the "historians" have painted him either. He did his own brand of selling out.

If the Israelis are so liberal, then why do they keep electing leaders who talk tough? It's the leaders who, once they get into office, soften and give in to the peace talkers (AKA terrorist sympathizers).

43 posted on 03/29/2002 4:02:30 PM PST by autumn
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To: weikel
bttt
44 posted on 03/29/2002 4:03:27 PM PST by autumn
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To: vbmoneyspender
Yes, it is fair. If you read his own bio, "An American Life," he ADMITS it was a net tax increase. THAT IS WHY THEY PASSED IT---because the Dems convinced him they needed more tax revenues, and he finally compromised.
45 posted on 03/29/2002 4:03:35 PM PST by LS
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To: LS
BIG BUMP

This fall as long as we don't fall for the rat trap, and let disillusion set in, we will take it all and send the democrats packing to the sewer hole they came from.

46 posted on 03/29/2002 4:04:42 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: LS
Could you post what he wrote about it? It seems to me that a reduction in the top marginal rate from 50% down to 28% is a pretty substantial tax cut, not a tax increase.
47 posted on 03/29/2002 4:06:07 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: RAT Patrol
So we are about even. Either you were not fully informed of Bush's positions (and I admit on CFR, he flatly went AGAINST his campaign promise), or you deliberately chose not to grasp what his "compassionate" conservatism was.

Otherwise, he kept his promise on tax cuts; he kept his promise on advancing SDI; he kept his promise (much to my dismay) about "no child left behind" (and there IS some competition in that bill, and if you are a good conservative, you know that all we need is a crack and we win); and he has kept his promise to revive the military. All that, without a friendly senate, and while fighting a war. I call that a pretty successful first two years.

48 posted on 03/29/2002 4:06:30 PM PST by LS
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To: Phlap
He can and must win 2 terms, for Freedom.
49 posted on 03/29/2002 4:08:14 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: TLBSHOW
The truth is the far left is inducing apathy

The only ones inducing any apathy on my part are those in the administration (including Bush and Ashcroft) who are simply ignoring the many serious crimes committed by the last administration and its party members the last 9 years. I ask you ... just how "conservative" does a republican have to be in order to believe in upholding the laws where election tampering (the Riady non-refund), privacy violations (Filegate) and murder (Ron Brown and possibly Vince Foster) are concerned? Are there ANY more important laws than those that protect the sanctity of our election process, those that protect individual privacy and those that protect people from being murdered for political gain? What are we fighting the war on terrorism for if not to protect those laws? I ask you ... why isn't Ashcroft even INVESTIGATING those crimes? NO EXCUSES.

50 posted on 03/29/2002 4:08:41 PM PST by BeAChooser
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To: vbmoneyspender
What is your source for this contention

"Like Ronald Reagan, who managed to preside in relative secrecy over $90 billion in 'revenue enhancements' after the well-publicized 1981 tax cuts, Bush has some bipartisan support for his antitax posture."

-- Time magazine, December 4.

Historical Precedents

Remember the term "revenue enhancement?" OMB Director David Stockman and President Reagan used it to avoid having to talk about a tax increase. Everyone knew a tax hike was being proposed, but the phrase allowed the Reagan White House to say it was doing something different.

51 posted on 03/29/2002 4:08:43 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Eagle Eye
You think. But regardless, the bigger point here is that many "conservatives" or "libertarians" (whatever) have a HIGHLY inflated view of their impact due to 1992, when Perot stole 17% of the vote and a few sat home, electing Bubba. I would argue that all you need to do to find out how many people are really disappointed with Bush is to look at the 96% approval among REPUBLICANS, and a 70% approval among INDEPENDENTS. That doesn't leave a whole lot of "available" votes out there to grab.
52 posted on 03/29/2002 4:09:06 PM PST by LS
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To: Satadru
So much for principles.

There have only been 4 presidents in 20 th century of 2 in the 19th that changed our nation. Im the 19th century Jackson and Lincoln were the only ones that had a real impact as president. In the 20th century Teddy Roosevelt, Franklin Roosevelt, and Reagan were the only ones with big impacts. All the rest did little if anything to change anything.

To make a big change a president needs one of two things, an opposition party willing to give him what he wants, or a depression or war to give him huge support.

FDR had both the Depression and WWII and he used it to move the nation to the left. The Democrats were certain that Reagan's program would fail, so they gave it to him so he would fail. Much to their dismay Reaganomics did not fail.

Bush could do as Clinton did and do next to nothing. Why do yoiu think Bill let Hillary do health care? Bill Clinton knew it was going to fail, so he let Hillary take the heat. For 8 years Clinton did little but hang on to the Status Quo. He knew that was all he could do. That is what most Presidents do.

To make a change a president needs a cooperative other party, or 60 votes in the senate. To have a shot at 60 senate votes a party must come close to geting 60 percent of the voters to vote for their parties senate Candidates. A president to do anything major has to have people who will support him with filibuster breaking votes.

That means the President has to get 10 percent of the voters that are left of center to vote for his Senate Candidates. It should be obvious that to get to 60 percent you have to have at least 10 percent that is left of center. Once a Pressident has that magic 60 votes in the Senate and control of the house he can make a real impact.

Andrew Jackson did it with the votes of emigrants. Lincoln did it with the civil war. Teddy did it with the huge help of the media. FDR with a depression and war. Reagan did it with Democrats that thought his plans would fail and defeat him in 1984.

Now Dubya is trying to use his war approval to get that magic 60 votes. If he fails we might has well have had Bill or Hillary for another 8 years. For with a Republican house and a tied senate, next to nothing can happen except a good chance a Democrat will be President it in 2008.

The only way to get to 60 percent is to get 10 percent of the voters that are left of center to vote for your party. Then claim those left of center people supported right wing plans. If a President can get it done and it works, the center moves by 10 percent. Then the Republicans could be a majority like the democrats were from 1932 to 1952.

There is no way the right has ever had more than a third of the votes. There is no way the left has every had more than a third of the votes. The party that does the center best while leaning left or right wins. Since 1932 that has almost always been the Democratic party.

The right always thinks that if they just got their message out, everone would agree with them. Half the voters know exactly what the right is about and they don't want any part of it.

All the right ever proposes is losing forever while handing the left victories.


53 posted on 03/29/2002 4:12:00 PM PST by Common Tator
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To: vbmoneyspender
I'll do better than that. Look at my book, "The Entrepreneurial Adventure: A History of Business in the United States" (Harcourt, 2000), chap. 12 or 13. I go over all the impact of the Reagan era cuts. It was the 1982 cuts that brought the top rate down from 50% to 25%, but then, after four years (and Stockman's whine in Atlantic Monthly about "deficits"), the Dems persuaded Reagan that they needed to "close loopholes" to "make up revenue."

I mean, it's common sense that with those deficits in 1985, we were not about to get any more tax DECREASES. The "loopholes" that Reagan agreed to in the long run were quite harmful, but only to segments of the economy, not to everyone. Still, it was a tax increase.

54 posted on 03/29/2002 4:12:43 PM PST by LS
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To: RAT Patrol
Perhaps we need to learn a little from our enemies. Aftr all, didn't we learn the hit-and-run tactics used in the early Revolutionary War from the Indians we fought in the French and Indian War?

Didn't we learn the value of the surprise attack from the attack on Pearl Harbor? Even the very genesis of some of our most modern weapons (stealth fighters and bombers) came from those who were our enemies at the time (it was a paper by a Russian radar engineer in 1962 that was seen by a guy at Lockheed ten years later).

Conservatives must choose which they will learn from our political enemies: incrementalism or ruthlessness. I personally choose incrementalism. It's easier on my conscience (sorry, but I find the idea of the politics of personal destruction to be grossly abhorrent). Choose one of those items to go withthe fact we have ideas that work.

Because quite frankly, if we do NOT learn incrementalism or become ruthless, we will lose.

55 posted on 03/29/2002 4:12:43 PM PST by hchutch
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To: TLBSHOW
falling into the democrat rat trap for this up coming election

Bush is even planning to increase food stamps for programs and reverse what few Conservative things Bill Clinton did ---like sign the welfare reform bill which limited food stamps. Bush hasn't turned around any of those EO's Clinton was signing like crazy, the compromise on fetal stem cells was something Bill Clinton would do. And CFR shows Bush cares little for the Constitution.

56 posted on 03/29/2002 4:13:20 PM PST by FITZ
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To: TLBSHOW
I gave alot of room for Bush on many of the issues noted in this article. I wasn't really happy about the stem cell decision, the china-spy plane incident and the steel tariffs really didn't bother me. There comes a point though when the kettle boils over and the hot feelings start to flow.

The issue whether I am giving democrats and the media what they want is irrelevant to me. They would have no ammunition in their arsenal if Bush hadn't given it to them in the first place.

57 posted on 03/29/2002 4:13:20 PM PST by RamsNo1
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To: hchutch
Because quite frankly, if we do NOT learn incrementalism

You mean like undoing welfare reform and adding millions to the food stamp programs? Incrementalism like making the federal government interfering in education more than ever? Incrementalism like handing amnesties to everyone who chooses to flaunt our laws?

58 posted on 03/29/2002 4:15:30 PM PST by FITZ
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To: LS
Despite not reducing the funding for a single Great Society program, RR was very popular. I'd love to have a pre-senility Goldwater in the WH - but given the number of bums and deviates voting, a Goldwater isn't currently electable.
59 posted on 03/29/2002 4:15:36 PM PST by 185JHP
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To: Texasforever
Here is what Stephen Moore of the Cato Institute said with regard to Reagan's Tax Reform Act of 1986 in his testimony to Congress in 1998:

In 1986 Congress passed and President Reagan signed a landmark and heroic piece of legislation: the 1986 Tax Reform Act. The 1986 TRA closed economically inefficient tax loopholes and dramatically reduced income tax rates for all Americans.

The result of the 1986 Tax Reform Act was to create a simple two-rate income tax system: 15 percent and 28 percent. It should be emphasized that the 1986 TRA was a bipartisan measure and was sponsored by Democrats Rep. Richard Gephardt and Senator Bill Bradley and Republicans Rep. Jack Kemp, and Senator Bob Packwood, with important contributions from the now Chairman of this Committee, Bill Archer.

Here is the link. I am pretty familiar with Stephen Moore's opinion on tax cuts and tax increases and he is certainly isn't calling what Reagan did in 1986 a tax increase.

60 posted on 03/29/2002 4:16:00 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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