Posted on 03/29/2002 3:08:59 PM PST by TLBSHOW
IIRC, we have that other paragon of Conservative principles, Ronald Reagan to thank for that.
What's your point, oh gifted one?
In my book, negotiation is part of the compromise process. Political compromise is the settlement of differences reached by mutual concessions and blending qualities of two different things. A person that is not open to any type of tax cuts, isn't open to compromise either. Example. Bush wanted a $1.6 trillion tax cut and the Democrats wanted a $900 billion tax cut. The two sides compromised and decided on a $1.35 trillion tax cut.
If we have come to a point in history where the president can actually sign a bill that he knows won't be held constitutional just for political gain then we have come to a threshold point where the country has given up all that you and I hold dear. So whats the point of continuing this charade. Lets just give up and let the worst of the culprits take over.
And again....I don't understand your reference to him as "KING GEORGE" illustrative tho that may be....I liken that to X42's self-absorbed impression of himself...
I find it interesting that most of the FReepers who aren't happy with the President regarding CFR are men, men who don't or can't understand his STRATEGERY...but most of the FReeper women can and do.
I just don't like the way Democrats think. Bill Clinton and his friends don't see anything wrong with tax increases, Hollywood, and corruption.
I also don't like the way some Republicans expect PERFECTION from Pres. Bush even though, they themselves, lead lives of compromise with their employers and families.
I especially don't like Hillary, in fact, DESPISE might be a better word. Because of her and her Democrat husband, little children learned about oral sex and lost their innocence.
I like Pres. Bush and Rumsfeld a lot. Bush isn't perfect. Who is? We will never have a perfectly conservative president that can get elected. I intend to give Bush a chance with all the challenges that face him, and in the end, vote for him.
For crying out loud. Negotiation is by definition compromise. If an item is no-negotiable no compromise is possible.
Come to think of it, that's what they use the (Un-Constitutional) Executive Order for anyway.
Yes, again, of course Bubba, as any president, could have an opinion on the matter and he could consult with legions of lawyers and scholars (or not). But (setting aside your argument re FDR) in our system of government it is the judiciary that interprets the Constitution in binding decisions. Opponents would be screaming--and rightly, I think---that Bubba should send the law up the judicial pipeline, not give some bogus, extra-constitutional humma-humma about how he thinks---HE THINKS---the bill is unconstitutional.
The protection for us little people, as I have already pointed out, is that, especially if the law is grossly, flagrantly violative of constitutional guarantees, a judge will stay its operation. If it's not a close question---IOW, if even the courts find it a difficult case to analyze---then what would that say about a president's unwillingness to make the constitutional call? Do you want to accord every president, even the Bubbas, the prescience to divine what the Supreme Court would say in every case?
I stand by my view that Bush's signing CFR hardly constitutes "abandonment" of the Constitution. And again, if CFR is as bad as many here think, it's unlikely it will EVER go into effect. It'll be stayed all the way through appeals and then killed.
P.S. I had a "Bush/Quayle" sticker on my rattletrap you-know-how-many years ago and some little nitwit at the Honda place took it upon himself to remove it "for" me when I took the car in for service.
That's telling'em OneidaM! =^)
Political compromise is the settlement of differences reached by mutual concessions and blending qualities of two different things.
Again, I'm forced to use my business experience. In any deal I've ever negotiated I've expected to compromise, but there were boundaries...in this case civil law, and there was the minimum I would accept.
It seems to me that CFR breached the boundaries (the Constitution), but must have given W the minimum he would accept. While I can't imagine what this was, I'll agree to it.
The idea of negotiating myself into a position that favors the other side in return for future concessions is something I've never done. Agreeing to something that is against the law is also something I couldn't do.
Hey I have pretty eyes too. But the fact that it is a non issue to most voters is also a great reason not to sign it also, is it not?
Now to me, freedom of speech is more than an issue, it is my RIGHT.
Based on the crimes that have been reported here since Wednesday I'd say we have a huge problem on our hands. Maybe we can get the SC to reconsider the Florida thingee.
If you're saying that I (personally) would support trampling the Constitution in return for advancement of my own ideology, you're wrong. Part of the core of my ideology is that we don't trample the Constitution.
Bush/Quayle huh?
Don't you think by having the SCOTUS rule this unconstitutional and taking it off the table for RINO's like McCain, and Dems is not a good thing?? Can you see the strategery in that move???
And regarding your right to free speech...I am engaging you in debate...or can't you see that??? Where do you get the notion I am trying to stiffle your right???
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