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BUSH'S REAL OPPOSITION: REPUBLICAN CONSERVATIVES
news/op/ed ^ | 3/28/2002 | Richard Reeves

Posted on 03/29/2002 3:08:59 PM PST by TLBSHOW

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To: weikel
...and then the Republicans would be no better than the Dems.
181 posted on 03/29/2002 5:56:43 PM PST by Prov3456
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To: TLBSHOW
 the idea that there is no connection between poverty in the poor
regions of the world and hatred and terrorism directed at the richest of nations, the United States.

If there is a connection, then foreign aid
is blackmail payments in a white glove.
And so are welfare payments in the US.

... people who, more often than not, prefer to lose on principle than win through compromise.

Heh.  Any of those around here?

182 posted on 03/29/2002 5:58:40 PM PST by gcruse
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To: LS
"Third, guns are more prominent with concealed carry laws..."

These concealed carry laws were a result of individual state legislatures.

Name for me one, just one Federal gun law that has been recinded or relaxed. In addition, Bush has already anounced his intention to re-authorize the "assault weapons ban".

Bush has indeed done some things for conservatives, but relaxing gun control ain't one of 'em.

183 posted on 03/29/2002 5:58:53 PM PST by wcbtinman
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To: BeAChooser
I'll prove you wrong easily. First, any one of these "low level" investigations you suggest Bush/Ashcroft undertake would not be done in a vacuum. The press would be all over this like ugly on an ape. You won't like what I'm about to say, but it's the truth: instantly the press and the Dems would say

this is all about Clinton.

Now, we just had a post that the Starr/Ray investigations cost $70 million. Do you really think that that is going to fly with the public? To spend another $30 million hunting down people who are going to be defended by all the Dems as "persecuted because of their association with Clinton?"

This is why it is kookburger stuff. It really is. I don't care what grand laws you think were broken (remember, you will get an equal number of Dems and media types to say no laws were broken), the public rightly or wrongly is fed up. In a democratic republic, the people get what they want, and believe me, they want to drop this stuff. You would not find one iota of support (I doubt less than 1% of the voting population) who would support going after Riady. Most people would view this as a complete waste of money, and a diversion from our rather important job now of seeing that 9/11 doesn't recur.

184 posted on 03/29/2002 6:01:03 PM PST by LS
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To: ModernDayCato
Flawed construct. No one said abandon all principles. What is at issue is WHICH principles you compromise to OBTAIN OTHER PRINCIPLES.

I vote "war on terror" is the single most important thing we do, much more so than CFR. I vote "tax cuts" are far superior to expenditures for the Ed bill. So give me my tax cuts, and use the remaining money on Ed, if you must.

It is a false premise to juxtapose "principles" and "compromise." In fact, compromise is always about WHICH principles will triumph, because ALL cannot.

185 posted on 03/29/2002 6:03:22 PM PST by LS
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To: wcbtinman
If I recall the gist of the question, and I could be wrong, it was what were the accomplishments of the last 35 years for conservatives, NOT the accomplishments of Bush per se.

My point is, contrary to the naysayers, in fact we are gaining great ground in many areas.

186 posted on 03/29/2002 6:05:12 PM PST by LS
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To: BonnieJ
Whatever you said is perfectly OK with me. I was just commenting on the author's choice of words when he stated a fact. He is correct, most conservatives would rather loose on principle than violate Constitutional Oaths for example.

Listen I don't have an OX to gourge here. In fact I am rather enjoying watching people who claim to be the principled party gorge each other on which principle is ok to ignore for political capital.

I don't have a problem with anyone here. We are all entitled to and free to express our opinions. And you know, your opinion is just as important as mine. It is interesting though, don't you think, that moderate Republicans, only wanting what is best for the party, seem to enjoy casting conservatives in the role of villan? I will admit, in the heat of debate on FreeRepublic the value of having the last word often takes the debate beyond the issue and folks just end up bashing each other, forgetting about what the topic du jour was anyway.

There is something magical about seeing ones ideas in print, I guess. When we run out of them (ideas), we can make up some new ones.

BTW, you were right about some gafs in St. Reagan's adminstration when it came to conserving the Constitution. According to Biblical history there was only one perfect fellow and look what happened to him. Don't ask me what the point of that comment was cause I just enjoy seeing my words on the screen.

Cheers.

188 posted on 03/29/2002 6:06:46 PM PST by ImpBill
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To: LS
Call him a kook if you wish, but he's right. In one respect there is no difference between the Clinton illegalities and CFR.

The profiles in courage we elected to office don't have the testicular fortitude to do the right thing, just because it may cause them their jobs.

Have you ever been faced such a decision -- where doing the RIGHT thing is going to cost you something that's important to you? If so, what decision did you make? I've had to make decisions like that all my life. I screwed up the first couple, but they got easier. I paid a price for doing what was right, but the price later on would have been much greater.

No matter how difficult it is it's still the right thing.

189 posted on 03/29/2002 6:07:03 PM PST by ModernDayCato
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To: ModernDayCato
feel lucky you're not in politics.
190 posted on 03/29/2002 6:08:52 PM PST by Schakaljager
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To: TLBSHOW
"The truth is the far left is inducing apathy through disillusion. "

Who gave them the talking points, hmm?

The criminal always thinks the problem is that he got caught, not that he committed a crime.

191 posted on 03/29/2002 6:09:12 PM PST by Tauzero
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To: LS
Talk about a flawed construct...

I went to the dictionary to paste in the definition of principle, and lo and behold, guess what I found?

The collectivity of moral or ethical standards or judgments: a decision based on principle rather than expediency.

The idea of a principle is that it is not compromised. In fact, it's the baseline by which you are supposed to make other judgements...the standard if you will.

192 posted on 03/29/2002 6:10:46 PM PST by ModernDayCato
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To: wcbtinman
These concealed carry laws were a result of individual state legislatures. Name for me one, just one Federal gun law that has been recinded or relaxed. In addition, Bush has already anounced his intention to re-authorize the "assault weapons ban".

Yea the Bush 2nd Ammendment stands were ignored or down right made up even in this forum. I kept reading how Bush was so pro 2nd ammendment. But when I took a few minutes to read what was actually saying I knew it was not true that he was pro-second ammendment. Add to the list as well no handgun possession before age 21. possession means just that possession. No teaching your child proper hand gun saftey. Limits on clips is another and background checks also tops his pro-list.

I am a hardliner on the second ammendment. It means just what it says. Government should not pass laws infringing upon the right to keep and bear arms. That includes any form of regrestration or IBC's. I can imagine the response of let's say Alexander Hamilton to register his gun and submit to a back ground check for ownership.

193 posted on 03/29/2002 6:10:48 PM PST by cva66snipe
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To: Schakaljager
Ah, but I am in politics. Unfortunately I have a vested interest in everything those morons in Washington do, because that's the way they want it to be.

I would argue that anyone who thinks they have to compromise their principles to achieve success will never be successful. At the very least they won't be real happy.

194 posted on 03/29/2002 6:12:33 PM PST by ModernDayCato
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To: cva66snipe
The 1st and 2nd Amendment are 1st and 2nd for a reason...hooyah
196 posted on 03/29/2002 6:14:23 PM PST by rbmillerjr
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To: TLBSHOW
Truth hurts and the rats are playing the conservatives for fools.

You are absolutely right, but you won't be able to talk any sense into these wackos so don't waste your time trying.

197 posted on 03/29/2002 6:14:48 PM PST by jokemoke
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To: Common Tator
All the right ever proposes is losing forever while handing the left victories.

Aren't you the one who wants to roll back government regulations to pre-Roosevelt (Franklin and Theodore) levels?

198 posted on 03/29/2002 6:15:50 PM PST by oldcodger
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To: D Joyce
I got one for you....I paid an @ssload of taxes this year. More than I ever have. I do my initial spreadsheet and I've overpaid by $2500. Great. It's a little salve for that open wound.

Oops...forgot about the Alternative Minimum Tax. This little doozie disallows my deduction for state taxes, so now I have to PAY an additional $10,000.

Thank God I don't get all the government I pay for.

P.S. = Since it isn't indexed for inflation, Forbes says the AMT will hit 79% of people making $75K - $100K by 2005.

199 posted on 03/29/2002 6:16:04 PM PST by ModernDayCato
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To: jokemoke
...these wackos...Truth hurts and the rats are playing the conservatives for fools.

Hey Lobsterback, it's the rats that are playing Bush for the fool and thus Bush to you.

200 posted on 03/29/2002 6:18:10 PM PST by rbmillerjr
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