Arabs Endorse, Israelis Reject Mideast Peace Plan

So, the Palestinians on the West Bank are to be denied a vote on self-determination for all eternity?

No, not at all. Just as it is in the U.S. felony criminals and illegal aliens don't have the right to vote.

...But do you know any difference between the Israeli Occupation and totalitarianism?

Yes. There is no 'palestinian state' and never has been. Isreal is in control of that territory because they were attacked by Arab states with cooperation of its inhabitants and won. Therefore there is no 'occupation' of 'palestine' by Isreal. What there is is occupation of Isreali territory by refugees from Jordan, Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia etc.. These illegal aliens are criminals that foment revolt and commit murder against the legitimate owners of the land. Cracking down on criminals and revolutionaries isn't anything like totalitarianism. The U.S. wouldn't tolerate it even if the revolutionaries were citizens. The law and the Constitution would support cracking down on them.

Are you ready to cede southern California, Arizona, New Mexico and part of Texas to illegal aliens from Mexico and hispanic Americans so they can have a self-determinative state? There is a serious movement to accomplish that. Don't they have a right to their own land? There are a lot of them that live on it. They want it. If the U.S. won't give it to them won't they have a right then to attack and kill U.S. citizens until they get it? If it works for Arafat and his gang they will have good reason to believe that it will work for them. Especially if our own President supports it in Arafats case.

You seem to be alone on this thread over the Saudi Peace Plan. My take on the reaction is that, the Israeli-firsters are following the Nile to Euphrates faction in Israeli politics who persist in the desire to create what they believe is the 'God given' grant of land to his 'chosen people'. A negotiated settlement based on the Saudi plan would give Israel what is has never had, clearly defined borders. No wonder Sharon would not allow Arafat to go to the conference. Likud and its allies cannot allow any move to a settlement which would constrain their territorial ambitions. People have said that the plan gives Israeli nothing, as if the acceptanced by the Palestinians and their allies of the Israeli acquisition of 78% of Palestine is nothing! No matter how much they twist and turn over the issue, the solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is the creation of a viable Palestinian state, with East Jerusalem as its capital. Genocidal fanatasies on both sides,remain just that fantasies.

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