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Arabs Endorse, Israelis Reject Mideast Peace Plan
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Posted on 03/28/2002 6:56:19 AM PST by RCW2001

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To: Bold Fenian
If the Saudi plan was genuine and offered in good faith, would the Israeli lobby in the US endorse it or reject it out of hand?

The 'plan' is flawed. Whether it is offered in good faith or not.

Hitler's Final Solution was 'genuine'. He meant it in other words. If someone 'honestly' wants to screw you...does that means you should accept the offer? Why should Israel accept indefensible borders? What if Israel retreats to the 67 borders and Hamas etc., do not stop? Why should Israel give back land won in wars Arabs started? Why does the US want Israel to sanction a terrorist state on it's borders? Why is Arafat, the Marxist trained by the KGB, the man behind Black September, afforded legitimacy? How is he different from Osama Bin Laden? Inquiring minds want to know.

21 posted on 03/28/2002 8:08:31 AM PST by veronica
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To: philosofy123
What a pant's load.

Arafattie's killer won't stop killing Jews.

Sharon did not start this latest wave of murders. Barak is a fool and as a Clintonoid can never do anything righteous.

Followers of Islame love death and kill hundreds of thousands across the globe yearly.

No agreement with the PLA is worth a shiite.

There will have to be massive deaths dealt out to the terrorists before any progress will come. It can only come when the large numbers of murderers have been killed. Their power comes from their murdering methods and will collapse when they cannot kill with impugnity.

Israel must start an all out offensive against all terrorist elements and groups.

The U.S. must stop all criticism of Israel's necessary actions to defend its people.

22 posted on 03/28/2002 8:11:00 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit
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To: Publius6961
The Israeli counterproposal:

1. Syria, Lebanon Jordan Egypt and Saudi Arabia all share in taking in the "palestinian" "victims".
2. Lebanon, Syrya, Jordan and Egypt all donate a 50 mile empty defense zone adjacent to Israel, where no one is allowed to live or travel, and which is heavily and continuously mined.
3. Oil producing states will contribute $1 million to every victim of terrorist bombers for the last 18 months.
4. No roads leading to and from Israel, ever.
5. Contribution of half of the city of Mecca and half of Medina as a show of good faith and tolerance, where Synagogues and Christian cathedrals can be built with no restrictions.
If these demands are not met, macho muslim Arab dogs... Prepare and start training your Jannisaries!! (since you can't fight your own battles)

Now!!! There's a peace proposal I can get behind!

23 posted on 03/28/2002 8:17:51 AM PST by pgkdan
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To: Bold Fenian
But, the offer of general Arab recognition of Israel, normalizing of relations and the announcement of an official end to the Arab/Israeli conflict if Israel withdraws to its pre-'67 borders is truly unprecedented.

Please. Normal relations between muslims and Israeli's means that the muslims continue to kill Israeli civilians as "normal". Mohammed built the paradigm and Abdullah ain't about to change it.

24 posted on 03/28/2002 8:20:56 AM PST by pgkdan
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To: Skooz;khepera;all
Isn't it funny how the papers take such a trivial thing as ripping the heart out of Israel to give land to terrorist cowards and say that it is a peace plan that should be adopted... Perhaps Saudi should give ALL their land to Palestine so that there will be peace at last.
26 posted on 03/28/2002 8:25:40 AM PST by wwjdn
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To: RCW2001
Arabs do not understand peace and perceive it as weakness. That's why Israel might as well escalate now to the ultimate conflict : Armageddon.

Get it over with !!


BUMP

27 posted on 03/28/2002 8:29:09 AM PST by tm22721
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To: Bold Fenian
Notice how the Islamofacists mention the 1967 border. How about the pre 1948 border which included the "occupied territories". How much history must we relive before we all realize that the followers of Mohammad must be destroyed.
28 posted on 03/28/2002 8:42:08 AM PST by CyberSpartacus
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To: Bold Fenian
Why don't we just shoot the Jews, and be done with it. Would you let several million criminals and their sympathisers in your back yard? If you spent five minutes finding out about the history of Jerusalem. You would know that the Arabs only justification for any of this land. Is their violent usurpation during the bloody and sickening Arab/Moslem conquests from the 7th to the 17th centuries. Not one shred of ground occupied by Moslems was Moslem. Every bit was taken by rape, murder, and pillage. I feel the only reason you belive the Arabs. Is because of your feelings about Jews.
29 posted on 03/28/2002 8:55:22 AM PST by CyberSpartacus
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To: Bold Fenian
Barak's "offer" during Camp David 2000 was a deceitful sham:

Deadly myths blind us in peace process

Myth of Israel’s ‘generous offer’ damages truth, peace
30 posted on 03/28/2002 8:59:38 AM PST by luvzhottea
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To: luvzhottea
Too bad you don't listen to Conservatives, only Lefties.

Rush Limbaugh has been reading this morning from a fabulous piece on the Camp David Peace plan. Blows your Leftie articles out of the water...

32 posted on 03/28/2002 9:09:01 AM PST by veronica
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To: Bold Fenian
I've been following the thread with great interest and while I disagree with your position I have to complement you on your arguments. First, the ancient Hebrew claim to the land can only be disputed by the people who they conquered. As these tribes, Caananites, Philistines etc. no longer exist the Hebrews and their descendents have the best historical claim to the land.

In fact, Orthodox Christians, descendents of the Byzantines have a stronger historic claim to the area than the Palestinians who are the descendents of Arab conquerors.

While I don't advocate ethnically cleansing the Palestinians I would remind you that NATO ethnically cleansed hundreds of thousands of Serbs from their land but supporting groups such as the KLA in Kosovo, the Bosnian Muslims and the Croatians. These are lands to which the Serbs have a documented historic claim.

I would also point out that Palestine has never been a state and the Palestinians do not have a distinct Palestinian culture. They have not been invited to become citizens of countries such as Jordan because they are used as a club to bash Israel.

33 posted on 03/28/2002 9:20:59 AM PST by JMS
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To: veronica;LarryLied
Too bad you don't listen to Conservatives, only Lefties. That is a flat out LIE. You said this on another thread and I told you there that you are LYING. You do this whenever information is posted that threatens the agenda. You, yourself, post frequently from "leftist" sources when it suits you, The New Republic and some British papers as I recall. Let those read who wish to read what I have posted and they can decide for themselves.
Just don't LIE about me anymore. It is not quite a conservative principle.
34 posted on 03/28/2002 9:23:52 AM PST by luvzhottea
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To: luvzhottea
Conn Helligan is Berkeley Leftwinger::

Journalism lecturer unbowed by things like truth and fact:

Conn Hallinan, journalism lecturer and provost at the University of California, Santa Cruz, writes in The San Francisco Examiner about Middle East "myths." You know, that "myth" that Arafat was offered the whole hog and turned it down in 2000 to start war instead. Just a myth. Oh, and the myth that the U.S. is neutral. Just a myth because we supply lots of aid and sell weapons to Israel. (Conn ignores that we have done the same, extensively, for the Palestinian Authority).

"No one in Europe believes the Camp David proposal was fair. If there is to be any progress in future talks, Americans are going to have to put that fairy tale aside and recognize that both sides have legitimate demands, and that military strength will solve nothing." Conn's base point, aside from throwing away facts, is that there can be no Jew living on territory that will make up a Palestinian state. Nothing like some good old myth-busting, eh?'

And calling Rush Limbaugh a 'neo-Con' is a pretty bold lie IMO.

35 posted on 03/28/2002 9:35:59 AM PST by veronica
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To: Publius6961
Bump for your plan !
36 posted on 03/28/2002 9:51:59 AM PST by happygrl
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To: justshutupandtakeit
"There will have to be massive deaths dealt out to the terrorists before any progress will come. It can only come when the large numbers of murderers have been killed. Their power comes from their murdering methods and will collapse when they cannot kill with impugnity."

You missed the point! The ragheads got thousands of stupid kids who are willing to die in the name of Allah. How many Passover massacres are you willing to subject the innocent Israeli civilians? Just because you live safely in the US/, you think that the terror that these people is living under is bearable? It is not about who started what, and who is right and who is wrong; it is about how can we bring back a sense of normalcy, and move forward to constructive coexistence. I would be the first to say Sharon should just get rid of Arafat, if that would help! But the problem is much beyond Arafat. It is Islam, and Arab character. You still failed to understand the history of assassins? That is simply how a few thousands Moslems Arabs came from the desert to concur, and force convert a good portion of this earth. As the American and Israelis are worried about their GNP, the Arab Moslems don’t care if all their population are starving! They simply cry in front of the camera to the UN to feed them. Money, public opinion, budget, morality is not a consideration, simply because their stupid dictators like Sadam live in luxury, and their population can go to hell before they will admit they made a mistake.

37 posted on 03/28/2002 9:55:07 AM PST by philosofy123
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To: Bold Fenian
Let's see how this "democracy" really works.

Are you referring to the democracy in Israel or the democracies in the member states of the Arab League ?

38 posted on 03/28/2002 9:55:12 AM PST by happygrl
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To: *Zion_ist
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39 posted on 03/28/2002 9:56:32 AM PST by Free the USA
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To: veronica
I totally agree with you that it is a PR effort aimed, not at Israel, but at U.S. citizens to drive a wedge between the U.S. and Israel. As if our memories are so short ! I think perhaps we may have the Saudis truly running scared. Remember how all the Royals fled to Switzerland after 9-11 ? Here's a quarter, Saudis, buy a clue. We remember who flew those planes.
40 posted on 03/28/2002 10:08:18 AM PST by happygrl
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