Posted on 03/24/2002 7:10:59 PM PST by Hillary'sMoralVoid
The Boy Scouts are right. There is no calling to sacred to keep gay pedophiles from their obsession. The recent revelations about Catholic priests is just another chapter in a growing body of evidence that homosexuality is not a "normal" human activity, rather it is obsessive in its victimization and recruitment of the young.
What all this means is that homophobes are justified in their fears. In fact, it is very likely that homophobia has its roots in molestation. How many young boys have had their faith in God, their trust in the scouts, their confidence in adults, shattered by a grim experience?
How many gays were coerced into the lifestyle through molestation? How many had an involuntary first sexual experience at the hands of someone they trusted? How many gays are gay only because they know no other sexual experience and fear heterosexuality?
Homophobes should feel no guilt, in fact, they should feel more vigilent, based on the most recent revelations that only add more fuel to the fire.
He has coined the term "moral-liberal". Example, if you believe people have the right to pick a sex partner of the same gender, even though you don't do it yourself, then you are morally liberal for recognizing that right. I guess those would be locked up too! Where will he get all those people to run the jails?
I await your proposal showing that you care for these people who have succumbed to gluttony, evil and temptation.
There is nothing inherently evil with eating a cheeseburger. Furthermore, one cigarette never killed anyone. The same cannot be said with one act of homosexual sodomy. Something is wrong not because it may be harmful or because the majority condemn it. Something is wrong only because God says it is wrong. Every religion which teaches a sexual ethic all agree on important moral issues, including that homosexual sodomy is wrong. In addition, self-destruction is universally condemned, as well. Hence, while jumping out of an airplane without a parachute is not explicitly condemned anywhere, the anticipated and initiated self-destruction which would result is condemned. If every cheeseburger resulted in obesity and heart disease, and if only cheeseburgers were the cause of all obesity and all heart disease, then the moral thing to do would be to stop the behavior which causes the unneeded suffering, rather than wasting resources treating the natural retribution of the wrong (immoral) behavior. It's the same with cigarettes. Not every cancer is caused by smoking, but if they were, then yes, ban the behavior and you have cured the disease. It's the kind thing to do, to discourage unneeded suffering. To be kind is central to the practice of many people's faiths.
As a sidebar, it is commendable that you are thinking about moral issues, rather than just rolling over and saying: "Well, gee. MTV says it's all okay, so I guess it all is" or "Hollywood approves of it, so it must be all right."
The we could sit here and pat each other on the back and not have any real discussion. ConsistentLibertarian is rational and backs her views inteligently. I haven't see her resort to name calling or personal attacks as most Liberals are wont to do.
I would continue to explain it to you, but you are not intellectually honest enough to acknowledge that you are caught in a serious inconsistency with your position. Your call for the government to deal with these evils of human behavior is moral fascism and no other term would do it justice.
As for your last paragraph, nice try, but no sale, save it for your classmates at school.
I must remember when I'm losing my next argument to refer the person to a liberal forum.
I don't think she is proselytizing perversion. I think what she is saying is that what people do behind closed doors is thier business.
Correct me if I'm wrong ConsistentLibertarian, but I don't think you are advocating any special rights for sodomites are you? And if they end up with aids that is their problem?
I'm starting my own religion as soon as I get the money together for the compound and the guns. Want to join?
Again, I would merely point out that one act of homosexual sodomy certainly earns its standing as a form of murder. There is no toleration for that at all. Burger King, while perhaps a purveyor of greasy and unhealthy foods, does not seal a person's fate nearly as fast and as certainly as homosexual behaviors do. At least with a cheeseburger there is always hope and a great measure of certainty a person will survive it. With homosexual sodomy, there is next to none. Perhaps not every practicing homosexual suffers from a self-inflicted disease, but the rare exception certainly proves the general rule on how dangerous it is.
Besides, the thread is on the evil of homosexual sodomy, not the evil of gluttony. It has not even been established by you or anyone else that I favor placing societal sanctions on every evil. For instance, it may indeed be wrong and immoral when a child fails to honor his or her parents, but that act of not honoring their parents is not a societal issue. Please stay on topic.
What I don't understand is why virtually all the victims of priestly pedophilia are young boys. There are an equal number of young girls to molest in the Catholic Church, if one is so inclined. So why does it happen almost always to boys? It can only be, it seems to me, because the molesting priests aren't merely pedophiles, they're gay as well.
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