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Homophobia and Pedophilia -- Joined at the Hip
Recent reports | 3/24/02 | HMV

Posted on 03/24/2002 7:10:59 PM PST by Hillary'sMoralVoid

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To: EdReform
"kids being the target audience" Kids? Meaning boys and girls?
141 posted on 03/24/2002 10:03:33 PM PST by ConsistentLibertarian
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid
You raise good points. Pedophilia and "ephebophilia" have a lot to do with people's feelings about homosexuality. A devil's advocate would point out that many lesbians feel the same way about heterosexual men and for the same reason. A lot of them were abused by men. Statistically you may be able to show that homosexual men are more apt to abuse children sexually than heterosexual men. Militant lesbians would argue that it's men who are more likely to do so than women. Strong feelings are understandable here and statistics may back them up, but the real culprit here are the abusers themselves. The longer this priest scandal goes on the more people will support the Boy Scouts. They do seem to have avoided what befell the Catholic Church. What this will mean about people's attitude towards homosexuality isn't yet clear, though.
142 posted on 03/24/2002 10:03:44 PM PST by x
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To: EdReform
They might get ideas about kinky straight sex too.
143 posted on 03/24/2002 10:04:08 PM PST by ConsistentLibertarian
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To: breakem
Nonsense, O leftist. Whenever I mention the word 'sodomy' it has always been in reference to homosexual sodomy. Everything is morally permitted within a monogamous, lifelong, heterosexual marriage so long as it is both consensual and in no way degrading to either partner.
144 posted on 03/24/2002 10:05:54 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: ConsistentLibertarian
Well, CL, when it's illegal to be a senior, when it's immoral to be a senior......get it? And thank you for not using vile language in answering me.
145 posted on 03/24/2002 10:07:51 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma
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To: ConsistentLibertarian

The choice is yours entirely. Everyone has free will.

146 posted on 03/24/2002 10:09:51 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
You would have to ask that of the 500,000 American men who died from the "harmless immorality" of homosexual sodomy, or those still alive how happy their diseases and ailments make them. Ask a drug addict how happy he is in his slavery, too. Sheesh. Some 'humanist' you are when such human suffering and death appears as something so light and unimportant.

I agee with you that sodimites should be watched because the politily incorrect truth is that they are more likely to be child molisters. That said I could care less what they do to each other in the privicy of their own homes, unless it involves children or gerbils.

The main thing is to keep the governments nose out of peoples business. The government should not tell the Boy Scouts who they must have as leaders. Public schools should be done away with so parents could be free to send their children to schools that choose not to hire sodimites. Oh that brings up another thing the government should not do; tell privite business who to hire.

147 posted on 03/24/2002 10:09:53 PM PST by Calculus_of_Consent
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To: Cultural Jihad
Actually, your position is that "Homosexual sodomy is a form of murder".
148 posted on 03/24/2002 10:09:54 PM PST by ConsistentLibertarian
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To: Cultural Jihad
Thank you for clarifying your position that we should relieve pain and suffering of other citizens. Your analogy that a drug addict is a slave is great. So they would be slave and slave master? We should certainly save the person from self-slavery.

Obesity costs us billions a year in health cost. Fat people die horrible deaths. Diabetes and heart disease can cause years of pain and suffering. Amputation of feet, extreme shortness of breath, chest pains are common. The families must slow down their activities to take care of the obesity problem in its midst.

I await your proposal showing that you care for these people who have succumbed to gluttony, evil and temptation.

149 posted on 03/24/2002 10:10:17 PM PST by breakem
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To: Brad's Gramma
Have no fear Gramma. It's no more immoral or illegal to be a senior than it is to be gay.
150 posted on 03/24/2002 10:11:46 PM PST by ConsistentLibertarian
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To: Almondjoy
While you have the right to be a "homophobe" merely states that you are afriad of your own sexuality..

What? The libs just make up their own definition of homophobic and you make one up too? Websters defines phobic as "an exaggerated usually inexplicable and illogical fear of a particular object, class of objects, or situation". But that not the way people here are talking about homophobic, they just don't want them around. I haven't seen one post that fits with the definition of "phobic" here. "Afraid of your own sexuality?" Take that to Webster will you? It doesn't flush here.

151 posted on 03/24/2002 10:12:13 PM PST by jwh_Denver
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To: ConsistentLibertarian
Wrong. But to argue with someone with your mindset is now a total waste of my time.

Carry on, the rest of you. You're doing a GREAT job!!!!

152 posted on 03/24/2002 10:13:55 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma
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To: Cultural Jihad
You ducked. That "we shouldn't stick out noses into other people's business" post is a hard one to wiggle around when you want to police what consenting adults do sexually in the privacy of their own home.
153 posted on 03/24/2002 10:14:01 PM PST by ConsistentLibertarian
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To: Brad's Gramma
"Wrong." Right. Gee, this is so much easier ;-)
154 posted on 03/24/2002 10:15:02 PM PST by ConsistentLibertarian
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To: Cultural Jihad
Your name-calling is in error as usual, but then so are your positions, typical of fanaticism and moral fascism. Thank you for allowing sex within marraige, big of you. I would admit however that almost everyone is to your left.

You have other questions to answer about your fanatical positions, so I'll close this by saying you have a short and convenient memory about your own position.

Oh one more, please list the sex acts that you consider to be "degrading" between heterosexual couples. And your response would be jail or just condemnation?

155 posted on 03/24/2002 10:15:54 PM PST by breakem
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid
"Pedophilia Chic" Reconsidered - The taboo against sex with children continues to erode:

"...For elsewhere in the public square, the defense of adult-child sex—more accurately, man-boy sex—is now out in the open. Moreover, it is on parade in a number of places—therapeutic, literary, and academic circles; mainstream publishing houses and journals and magazines and bookstores—where the mere appearance of such ideas would until recently have been not only unthinkable, but in many cases, subject to prosecution...

...Plainly, as the record even then showed, a surprising number of voices were willing to rise up on behalf of what advocates refer to as "man-boy love," or what most people call sexual abuse..."

For one thing, no sustained public challenges have arisen over other primal taboos. Even more telling, if nihilism and nihilism alone were the explanation for public attempts to legitimize sex with boy children, then we would expect the appearance of related attempts to legitimize sex with girl children; and these we manifestly do not see. Nobody, but nobody, has been allowed to make the case for girl pedophilia with the backing of any reputable institution. Publishing houses are not putting out acclaimed anthologies and works of fiction that include excerpts of men having sex with young girls. Psychologists and psychiatrists are not competing with each other to publish studies demonstrating that the sexual abuse of girls is inconsequential; or, indeed, that it ought not even be defined as "abuse."

Two examples from the last few weeks will suffice to show the double standard here. In the November 12 New York Times Book Review, a writer found it unremarkable to observe of his subject, biographer Gavin Lambert, that when "Lambert was a schoolboy of 11, a teacher initiated him [into homosexuality], and he 'felt no shame or fear, only gratitude.'" It is unimaginable that New York Times editors would allow a reviewer to describe an 11-year-old girl being sexually "initiated" by any adult (in that case, "initiation" would be called "sexual abuse"). Similarly, in mid-December the New York Times Magazine delivered a cover piece about gay teenagers in cyberspace which was so blasé about the older men who seek out boys in chat rooms that it dismissed those potential predators as mere "oldies." Again, one can only imagine the public outcry had the same magazine published a story taking the same so-what approach to online solicitation, off-line trysts, and pornography "sharing" between anonymous men and underage girls."


156 posted on 03/24/2002 10:18:05 PM PST by EdReform
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To: ConsistentLibertarian
On previous posts, Jihad has also wanted the government to enforce commandments like taking false Gods, taking the Lord's name in vane, and coveting. He is a self-styled conservative who believes in codifying and punishing his version of "evil."
157 posted on 03/24/2002 10:18:14 PM PST by breakem
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To: breakem
I hope that's not what Bush had in mind when he said he was going to rid the world of evil-doers. I mean, if you thought the Patriot ACT and CFR mocked the constitution, just imagine the "Lord's Name Not in Vain" act, complete with military tribunals that can impose the death penalty without civilian review.
158 posted on 03/24/2002 10:20:57 PM PST by ConsistentLibertarian
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To: ConsistentLibertarian
Take it to a liberal forum why don't you?
159 posted on 03/24/2002 10:23:07 PM PST by LarryLied
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To: ConsistentLibertarian
just imagine the "Lord's Name Not in Vain" act, complete with military tribunals that can impose the death penalty without civilian review.

It is already illegal to belong to a religion that advocates being armed. Or at least that is what the BATF believes.

160 posted on 03/24/2002 10:25:24 PM PST by Calculus_of_Consent
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