Virginia FReepers! - Time to give John RINO Warner the Heave HO!

3/21/2002 | P8riot

[alpowolf]

No, you didn't say Bob Dole. But you did say Clinton...Dole ran against Clinton in '96. Perhaps you're too young to remember.

[alpowolf]

Not for you.

[putupon]

I emailed johnny-boy yesterday & told him we might as well have a kennedy or a clinton in his seat after that assault on the Constitution he pulled by voting for CFR.

[sultan88]

Big Jawn Wahner has been a thorn in the side of conservatives ever since he was elected to the Senate in 1978 after the tragic (and somewhat suspicious ) death of my friend Dick Obenshain.

Big Jawn is a RINO - I don't care what votes the ACU uses to make him look conservative, HE IS A LIBERAL, gun-hating, 1st Amenment-bashing, big government politician whose only interest is staying in power and not making enemies of his friends on the Democrat side.

In 1993 he personally sabotaged the campaign of Conservative Mike Farris who was running for Lt. Governor of Virginia. This allowed the most heinous liberal democrat to win that year. In 1994 he personally sabotaged Ollie North's campaign for the US Senate by bringing in a third-party candidate (Marshall Coleman), a GOP has-been and campaigned relentlessly across Virginia with Coleman. Coleman picked up 9% of the vote and that was enough to give Warner's buddy Chuck Robb the razor-thin win over Ollie North and kept Robb in the Senate another 6 years. Yes, thanks to Big Jawn, the country missed out on having Ollie serve in the Senate.

A disgraceful performance by our so-called Republican Senator. And to this day he continues to support his democrat friends and only pays attention to the GOP voters every six years when it is time to raise funds for his next campaign. It is time for Jawn to go!!

[meandog]

Oh, gawd. Get some time voting. Sheesh. I want to elect a conservative to complement George Allen (who voted against CFR). I don't want to vote for a Democrat, egg his house or do burnouts on his lawn.

Let's see...John Warner was an enlisted man during WWII in the Navy, he later served as an officer in the Marine Corps during Korea, he was appointed Secretary of the Navy during the Nixon adminstration, he is the senior Republican on the Senate Armed Forces committee...and you want to replace him with someone who can complement the "fortunate son" of a successful NFL coach who ducked Vietnam?

[sultan88]

But if we get an organized write-in campaign for Ollie North going, we at least get to send a message. I sent my message 6 years ago by voting for MARK Warner instead of Jawn. You recall that that wote was close and Big Jawn got a bit of a scare.

[putupon]

John Warner was an enlisted man during WWII in the Navy, he later served as an officer in the Marine Corps during Korea, he was appointed Secretary of the Navy during the Nixon adminstration, he is the senior Republican on the Senate Armed Forces committee

Perot's running mate was an ex POW but also senile-did you want him for VP?

mcainiac was a fighter pilot and POW-so do want that wacko in the Oval offic?

John Kerry was a combat vet from 'Nam-but hes still a commie

Upchuck Robb was a combat vet in 'Nam-yet he also a commie who parties with coke whores

I can think of a lot of combat vets who I don't want in charge of anything. Just because you have good service record doesn't mean you should be in a position where you can trash the Constitution.

[BlackElk]

Actually, there is a great similarity between Judas Jeffords and John Warner. The difference is that Judas can get away with more in Vermont than Warner can in Virginia. Warner has repeatedly demonstrated as a sitting United States Senator his abject refusal to give loyalty to the GOP. Naturally those who imagine themselves "pragmatic" then demand that those Republicans who put principle first cave in and reward Warner for his career of apostasy which includes torpedoing Bork and torpedoing Ollie North.

RINO Party Line: The unwashed New Right types simply must be made to understand that a man of social stature like John Warner simply would not be able to hold his head up in the Virginia hunt country society if he had not done in Bork much less Ollie North. Neither were born into the best sorts of families you know and they really have no business in the party of the foxhunting Warners. Muffy and Skipper will support John Warner. He's one of US!!!!

Are we now hearing on a conservative website that insisting on conservative principle equates to wearing a tin foil chapeau? Well, to those old enough to remember the joy of resisting the likes of Nelson Rockefeller and punishing Gerald Ford for dallying with him, consider the source of such remarks, each and every source, and remember the screen names just in case they ever seem to make sense.

Most people posting here are motivated by principle and not by a burning desire for jobs and contracts. Being a Republican is not a principle. Being a conservative is a matter of principle.

[afuturegovernor]

Sorry, but I believe that civil, well-meaning debate on issues should accur in the GOP rather than name-calling and backstapping.

[TBP]

Remember that when the Republican Party didn't do things Warner's way in 1994, he bolted and found an independent candidate -- the pathetic, unprincipled Marshall Coleman -- deliberately in order to cost the Republican nominee, the patriot Lt. Col. Oliver North, the election. So why should Warner benefit from any Republican loyalty when he behaved like the spoiled brat that he is?

He's an accidental Senator anyway.

[BlackElk]

Actually what you were doing, at an age when you ought to be idealistic and shoot for the stars, was joining up with the crepe-hanging RINO crowd. Those of us who have been conservative and active at it for many years have seen the same demoralizing ripe for decades.

We elected Ronald Reagan in two landlsides while the RINOs were whining: Ronald Reagan, Bedtime for Bonzo? Reagan wouldn't get 20% of the vote. Nobody agrees with Reagan. It will be an embarassment to the party. Only RINOs can win! OOOONLY RIIIIINOOOOOS CAAAAAN WIIIN! Don't you fools understand. Reagan is an EXTREMIST! (Oh my G-d, if the American people had only known that Reagan was an extremist, they NEEEEEVVVVVVEEEEEER would have elected him.) Can't you guys just leave us alone and let us kill babies, confiscate your guns and hike your taxes so we can lower ours? Right wingers are just SOOOOOOO unreasonable.

QUERY: If you cannot stick up for conservative principle at 18 (this is not an age-bash) when, if ever, will you start?

QUERY 2: Do you really think that John Warner or Richard Riordan or Judas Jeffords (ten minutes before he jumped ship) will love you in the morning?

[Mudboy Slim]

"There's no credible RAT opponent."

Why bother, the RATS have a fellow traveler with this RINO!!

"There's no credible third party opponent. There's no credible GOP primary opponent. John Warner will win."

Sad, but true...still wish Ollie wouldda taken him on.

"But it doesn't have to be a landslide. And it doesn't have to be with my vote."

He won't get mine...the "write-in" idea's the best I've heard yet.

FReegards...MUD

[BlackElk]

Some of us want a voting record not a resume and voting against Bork, organizing third party opposition to Ollie North and opposing Ferris (homeschooling hero) for Lieutenant Governor do not command loyalty from any Republican who has any business being a Republican. AND, just to prove that even a broken clock is right twice a day, Elizabeth Taylor was right in her assessment of Warner.

[meandog]

"...voting against Bork..."

Believe you're misinformed, check the record...

[meandog]

Perot's running mate was an ex POW but also senile-did you want him for VP? mcainiac was a fighter pilot and POW-so do want that wacko in the Oval offic? John Kerry was a combat vet from 'Nam-but hes still a commie Upchuck Robb was a combat vet in 'Nam-yet he also a commie who parties with coke whores

Before putting out such outrageous slander, do some research:
Though not particularly a good orator, RADM James Stockdale is hardly senile--senility would tend to disqualify one from an adjunct professorship at Stanford University.
John Kerry is not a "commie" but a highly decorated "brown water" Navy riverine (swift boats and PBRs) lieutenant (Silver Star), much like former last named sound-alike (Medal of Honor) winner Bob Kerrey.
Chuck Robb was also highly decorated and, although he did get a reported nude backrub from a former Miss Virginia at a beach weekend, that is not quite the same as partying with "coke whores."
And, yes, I would have very much liked to have seen John McCain in the White House.

[hchutch]

While your hero John McCain was in a Hanoi prison camp, Mr. Kerry was leading a bunch of left-wing protests against the war in Vietnam. John Kerry is a left-wing nutcase.

[cva66snipe]

Sorry, but I believe that civil, well-meaning debate on issues should accur in the GOP rather than name-calling and backstapping.

Then why can that not occur? Last POTUS election questioning of one paticular canidate was ver boden even in the primaries as he early on by party elietist had been crowned winner. Some very good and a lot more principled voices were told to shut up and keep quiet. Some more liberal voices however were given Carte Blance and the Bully Pulpit. Tell me who would you see as a more influencial and a lot smarter person. Gerald Ford or those such as Alan Keyes, Steve Forbes, and other more traditional conservatives. This last election was meant to drive a dagger into the Conservative GOP. Dole took his stab and Bush took his. 1994 & 1996 victories were a farce. Nothing accomplished but the selling out of the GOP. Dem's despite a GOP majority in both houses had no trouble what so ever getting their agenda through.

It's sad the GOP got what it wanted then has gotten so scared that what it had would be taken away that it refused to act as the party of power it for a short time was. I will always believe that. I will until leadership starts acting & proving otherwise know that the GOP has become it's own worst enemy which is apathetic toward what was once it's driving force. I can show you threads where party loyalist are trying to hush debates for primaries because the RNC and White House had done crowned the winner. That in no way in my eyes can be considered civil debate. That in my eyes is backstabbing our electorial process and the other viable GOP canidates for the sake of a so called political dynasity.

Have you not noticed that every White House RNC endorsement is for a friend of Daddy and no Conservatives? Never mind logic says the person is not suitable? No greater example can I show you than the seat Fred Thompson is leaving. Before the words were barely out of Freds mouth the RNC and White House had crowned Lamar Alexander to the seat. This before our August primaries. They picked Lamar over several more suitable and electable Conservatives. Why? Lamar was a Daddy Bush Sec. of Education.

I have yet to see the White House or RNC seriously back a Conservative even in places where Conservatives stand a far better chance. I've got news for the RNC and White House. NO former Tennessee Governor has ever been elected a senator by vote of the people. Still further very few former Tennessee Governors went on to hold any other elected office at all. Most are in the 1800's.

Why not Ed Bryant? Popular in Tennessee, a Conservative, a Congressman, and a former House Manager. Oh! Now I see a former House Manager who against party hiarchy wishes tried to bring a POTUS to justice. That is what angers them so. Ed might not put party before Constitution is the fear it seems. Ed just might not be a Ford/Rocky Republican. I can not see putting a moderate in office when a Conservative stands better than 50-50 odds of being elected as well. That is now what is prevailant in the GOP. Believe me Ronnie Reagan would not be at all happy with todays GOP leadership steering in the direction it is. I suspect he would call them spineless wimps.

[meandog]

While your hero John McCain was in a Hanoi prison camp, Mr. Kerry was leading a bunch of left-wing protests against the war in Vietnam. John Kerry is a left-wing nutcase.

Correct, he was a founding member of Veterans Against the War...and while I particularly don't like his politics I have to acknowledge that he earned the right to lead such protests by risking his life for his country--unlike most of the draft-dodging right-wing "chickenhawks" some FReepers hold up as heroes (Phil Gramm, Dick Cheney, Trent Lott, Newt Gingrich, Mitch McConnell, George Allen, Tom DeLay and Dick Armey--and especially that g-d buffoon Rush Limpbull!).

[cva66snipe]

I checked your profile and you can likely understand where I'm coming from on this. John Warner is a Schmuck. This is the clown who was Chairman of the Armed Services Committee and the senator from a very active military base enriched state. This is also the state where you up till 9/11 could walk onto base virtually unchallanged. You could take a small jon boat or runabout and approach ships and submarines berthed at NOB NORVA. He was ASC Chairamn for such disasters as the COLE. Why didn't some stars fall from that one? Some high brass {flag} should have been put on trial. But what do we still see? Those same flag officers still calling shots.

Though not a resident of Virginia I have no use for Warner whatsoever. Bob Smith at least while sitting on the committee managed to at least try and visit a military base. Our once military secrets are now the Discovery Channels shows. I've seen things on there that if I had wanted a look see at in 1980 would have gotten me lead poison from a Jarheads M-16. These systems and equipment are still operational. Where has the Marines Security in NOB Norfolk gone BTW? Military Bases need military security. Nothing can match it. Why didn't John Warner use his position to keep that high level of security? Warner is just a seat warmer trying to obtain the highest rate of retirement pay possible before being booted out. We lost a lot of military personel and might under Warner and Cheney's handling of it. I could do a good rant on Cheney but I won't go there this time.