Posted on 03/21/2002 12:56:40 PM PST by H.R. Gross
What does ecstasy smuggling have to do with spying?
May I brag for a moment? On one of these Justin posts I noted from my first post that I thought this smelled like a possible drug dealing ring. I had read that Israel and East Europe were major producers of the "party drug" ecstasy. I said so. DEA - get it? Seems I've been proven right. Also the reports about 'students" hanging out in malls.
One link you don't have is to the story about the Israelis who were bringing in the students. It's all their in the open. They got "fees" for giving support for work visas or the like. And they supplied the shoddy artwork. I noted this sounds like the Scandinavian Au Pair scam and similar methods for foreigners to get their "year abroad" in the USA. Surely the "students" are promised more than they will earn. Common. Except it involves Jews, so it triggers all the weak connect the dots games of the conspiracists.
I gotta tell you - I read the report. It's no secret anymore - it was linked here at FR. Why it wasn't talked about is interesting in itself. I suspect is because it did not live up to the spy scenario, so it is ignored. It stated from the outset the suspicion that it was an ecstacy ring. Then it had repetitive "sightings" of "students" here and there. Most of it was decontextualized obsessive nothings, full of stories of how the students didn't or did cooperate with the authorities.
Reading this, it became my opinion, indeed confirmed it, that this "ring" was just what it was, young Israelis coming to America to work (like yanks in Europe before the EU) for the experience abroad. It is very possible that some people related to drugs used this as a cover, with or without the "nany scam" type coyotes, the Israeli couple. Who knows, maybe there were "spies." And spying on what? Since it invovles Jews, all sorts of linkages, insinuations, assumptions, and denial of alternative scenarios takes place.
I take heed with your Pipes bashing. He is responding to the massive spying allegations. If some, or even all of these people were part of some drug ring, that doesn't disprove him at all. The premise addressed is the "spying." The "smoking gun" Pipes challenged was about spying, and for some security/military purpose.
Interestingly, one possible premise not addressed is whose interests this disinformation, at least misdirected insinuation, serves. France? Arabs? Do calculating anti-semites who feel the current focus on Arabs has put their views in the background? Who's deflecting? All sides must be examined.
ty for the links, but what does the ADL have to do with "Israeli art student" thing?
Thanks for the ping.
I was there, in Mossad HQ, when the great Art Student Caper was hatched.
We Zionist/Mossad/ADL/JDL/LASIK/AOL/GED/JFK/UNCLE/IHOP agents were going to spy on the United States and we were going to turn espionage on its head. Where spies are usually covertly infiltrated, we are going to shout to everyone to look at our art. It was the perfect plan. We were going to get all of America's secrets.
Now at this meeting, Shlomo, not sure about his title, usually sits quietly. But he was getting all excited. He kept on jumping up and down trying to ask a question. He asked whether we were all crazy? He asked what kinds of secrets would roaming art students get under the best circumstances.
He asked. So you knock on the door of a defense contractor- lets say. The maid opens the door. You say you have art for sale. They tell you to go away or they invite you in to look at the art. Then what? How do you get from that to getting any secrets. Or are secrets plastered on the living room walls?
And then there are all the Federal buildings we could get into. All security at Federal buildings let down their guard in the face of persistant art students. And when we get into the Federal buildings, and make it into the elevator, well our job is almost done, John, the elevator operator will spill his guts on top secret materials.
Shlomo also complained that it's really stupid to carry art with you when spying. Where do you put the art when you need to quickly jot down some notes on top secret stuff you find or make a quick getaway exit down the fire escape- unseen.
Well we didn't listen to Shlomo and sent the "art student"/agent/spies/ anyway. Boy are we glad. We got so much good stuff and we are so much closer to making Chapter 21 of the Protocols a reality and control of the World is within reach. To celebrate, everyone then had fresh blooded Purim pastries.
And then we discussed how we could get everyone to not look at the "facts".
Uh. I asked like 3x on this thread alone for facts. All that was posted was same dozen articles which relied on Le Monde, some article that quotes an "unnamed" source, and somebody posted somethinga bout ecstasy smuggling which has nothing to do with spying... So where are these facts?
"Charlene Eban, a spokeswoman for the FBI in Washington, and Don Nelson, a Justice Department spokesman, said they had no knowledge of an Israeli spying operation.
'If we found evidence of unauthorized intelligence operations, that would be classified material,' added Jim Margolin, a spokesman for the FBI in New York."
So, they didn't spy, and besides, we wouldn't tell you if they did.
It might of been drugs. It might have spying. But it wasn't totally legit. It just wasn't.
OK. Based on nothing you have come to that conclusion. That's OK, there are people who still think OJ is innocent, too. And there is no getting through to them.
I think any reasonable person reviewing this story would conclude that at least some of the art students were "undercover" in some capacity for some purpose.
Because the very first story to hit was the Fox piece, and it had many inaccuracies and omissions. And I specifically pointed them out at the time. So from the get-go, something did not add up. But now, with the information out there, and the official denials on the record, to conclude something else is not based on fact, but on mere speculation only.
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