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Fossil skull fuels debate over human origin
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| March 21, 2002 Posted: 10:28 AM EST (1528 GMT)
Posted on 03/21/2002 7:04:27 AM PST by RoughDobermann
Edited on 04/29/2004 2:00:17 AM PDT by Jim Robinson.
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To: AndrewC
Forests are a poor habitat for the fossilization of anything. (Did you really not know this?) Swamps and lake bottoms are nice. Ocean bottoms (ancient and modern) are also nice. Species from such environments are greatly over-represented in the fossil record.
The incompleteness of data sets is only a problem for evolution because practically anything is a disproof of evolution. When I misuse a word it's disproof of evolution. That I'm not tallhappy is . . . Never mind!
Also, hillsides, once they are formed, can do nothing but erode. We basically know there were dinosaurs in the Appalachians; they were all over the place around them and there was nothing to keep them out.
But the youngest sediments you can find are Permian and not many that young. Even if a mountain is growing from tectonic forces, that only means that it's being pushed up from below faster than it's wearing away from above.
To: VadeRetro
Forests are a poor habitat for the fossilization of anything.Strange.
This must be awfully unlikely.
UC Berkeley/Paleoanthropologists find oldest human ancestor in Ethiopia
"The expectation was that we would find hominids in savanna grassland sites that date back to about eight million years ago," Ambrose said. "That hasn't happened. All older hominids have been found in forested environments."
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03/21/2002 2:06:20 PM PST
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AndrewC
To: general_re
Ban the French horn!---leads to evolution---pagan mystics---damn that instrument!---damn it to hell! Oh when the imps...go marching in.....toot toot
To: f.Christian
f.Christian...jedieman---cpr! lol, haha, something actually quite funny :D
To: VadeRetro
We basically know there were dinosaurs in the Appalachians;Could you point out the mountain climbing dinos for me?
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03/21/2002 2:11:43 PM PST
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AndrewC
To: AndrewC
Ardipithecus perhaps comes in under the ". . . or lives near a volcano" exception. (Most of the Chinese feathered dinosaurs, so exquisitely preserved, were in volcanic sediments.) Not to mention that, if I read the article correctly, the land was subsiding tectonically, which might have minimized the erosion problem.
To: AndrewC
Could you point out the mountain climbing dinos for me? Why would a mountain-climbing dino leave a fossil in Permian sediments? Hello?
To: VadeRetro
Why would a mountain-climbing dino leave a fossil in Permian sediments? Hello?You are the one that used the "know" word.
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03/21/2002 2:16:45 PM PST
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AndrewC
To: AndrewC
Let me put it another way. We
know those mountains were there in the Triassic, the Jurassic, the Cretaceous, and forward.
But you can't prove it with fossils.
To: Seeking the truth
So what do YOU concider the absolute athority on things?
Guess you never make mistakes?
' Oldcats
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03/21/2002 2:27:56 PM PST
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oldcats
To: VadeRetro
Ardipithecus perhaps comes in under the ". . . or lives near a volcano" exception.I take it then the conclusion to be drawn is that chimps and ancestors of such avoid volcanoes and wet areas.
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03/21/2002 2:34:03 PM PST
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AndrewC
To: Seeking the truth
Yes, science is not static, unlike some of the other references that people use.
Oldcats
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03/21/2002 2:35:56 PM PST
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oldcats
To: medved
At this point, in order to demonstrate that modern man evolved...What do you think of the shared genetic defect that prevents vitamin C formation in people and chimps? Doesn't that show common acnestry of chimps and people?
To: VadeRetro
Plus, not every animal nor plant leaves a fossil. Fossilization of a body...beit animal or plant is a relatively rare happening.
If it wasn't, we wouldn't have oil, no would we?
Oldcats
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03/21/2002 2:42:20 PM PST
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oldcats
To: VadeRetro
Plus, not every animal nor plant leaves a fossil. Fossilization of a body...beit animal or plant is a relatively rare happening.
If it wasn't, we wouldn't have oil, now would we?
Oldcats
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03/21/2002 2:43:43 PM PST
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oldcats
To: Virginia-American
What do you think of the shared genetic defect that prevents vitamin C formation in people and chimps? Doesn't that show common acnestry of chimps and people? Like I say, Volkswagons and Porsches had many parts in common for years and years. All the thing you mention shows is that whoever engineered humans was not working in a vacuum. Volkswagons and Porsches are artifacts of our own engineering talents. Humans and chimps are artifacts of the engineering talents of somebody or something which was doing some serious engineering, some thousands of years ago.
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03/21/2002 3:10:26 PM PST
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medved
To: oldcats
Hardly any fossilize, really. Most get eaten, the chunks rotting to pieces. Swamps and shallow inland lakes are best because they have these anoxic bottoms that silt up. A dead thing that sinks into that is not attacked by the usual suspects before it can be buried.
To: oldcats
Guess the skull is just a figment of imagination? First of all, it is not a skull, it is half a skull. To posit that from this half skull we can "prove" not only that this is a man, but that it was our ancestor, not only that it was our ancestor, but that it proves the truth of evolution, not only that but that it proves that the Bible is not true, not just that, but that it proves the entire atheistic theory of life, the universe and everything - is pure hogwash. The extravagance of the claims made by evolutionists on the minutest of evidence render the whole theory a joke and amply prove that there is nothing scientific about evolution.
To: JediGirl
Okay, first of all, it's been a while, but that's not a French horn. Yes, I know, you're off and marching - I did the same thing with those bastardized marching "horns".
But I know the difference - A) real French horns haven't had piston valves in nearly sixty years, and; B) real French horns are much more twisty, and, worst of ALL; C) that picture looks suspiciously like you're using a TRUMPET mouthpiece. Sacrilege! Blasphemy! Good lord, girl - run, don't walk, down to your local music store and demand an adapter so that you can use a REAL horn player's mouthpiece! ;)
To: general_re
C) that picture looks suspiciously like you're using a TRUMPET mouthpiece. Sacrilege! Blasphemy! Good lord, girl - run, don't walk, down to your local music store and demand an adapter so that you can use a REAL horn player's mouthpiece! ;) LOL! No, I usually use a french horn mouthpiece for that thing, but that night i used a trumpet mouthpiece cos i left my horn mouthpiece in my concert horn case. y'know. or heck, that might have been my horn mouthpiece....hm....oh well.
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