The Church They Love To Hate

lewrockwell.com ^ | March 20, 2002 | David Dieteman

[uncbob]

It's not the church that's disgusting the public, it's the behavior of high-level authorities within the church.

Well a hell of a lot of the church members are disgusting me
Especially those wonderful catholics in Boston who send pro abortion, pro homsexual agenda Teddy Kennedy back to the senate every 6 years

[GenXFreedomFighter]

Good point there. Even my parish priest decries the wimpiness of many bishops and priests on those issues.

[geaux]

"Why are so many homosexuals attracted into the priesthood?"

Because it's a good place to be if you don't want to tell your father that you're gay or tell your mother why you're not married.

[BibChr]

Hm. So you can't really answer the questions without playing God and reading my mind? And wrongly, at that?

So there's something worth exploring, for you. Those questions threaten you at some deep level. There are other ways of dealing, you know, than denial.

Dan

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Does it feel good to have hatred in your heart like this? I have never heard in my Catholic church such hatred of Protestants, Jews or Muslims. This is all in your mind and said with a perspective of an outsider.

I am not Catholic, but my sympathies are with them on this one.  However, as one who has lived in South America, I can attest that there is plenty of official bashing of protestants by catholics.  You don't hear about it so much in the developed countries, but it is every bit as vicious as the anti-catholic tirade you hear amongst some in the U.S.

Be that as it may, I think that the media is far worse.

[BibChr]

I'm not convinced you really thought my questions through. If I say — loudly, publicly, and repeatedly — that I run the cleanest house in the world and someone finds moldy tile and makes a big deal of it — why'd that happen? What made it a big story?

Dan

[uncbob]

The only aspect I can agree with regarding the media is its hypocrisy regarding pedophilia in the Catholic Church and pedophelia in the Boy Scouts.

And ain't it sad that the Boy Scout leaders have done far more and have had more resolve against abandonning their boys to the predators than those wonderful cardinals. The Scout leaders went to the supreme court to protect their boys while the cardinals welcomed the homosexuals with open arms to the seminary

[BibChr]

I'm with you. This has nothing to do with hate. I just wonder why my plain-sense questions are so hard to deal with rationally and honestly. I have my guesses, sure; but I still wonder.

Dan

[heyheyhey]

Could it have anything to do with that, do you think?

Many Christian denominations suffer moral crisis these days. Homosexuals and feminazis were let to run churches their preferred ways. The Catholic Church stood far ahead of the rest as a moral authority until very recently. Remember presidential visit to Vatican and the discussion on human cloning and stem cell research?

I hope all this will bring about much needed reforms in the Church.

[heyheyhey]

…while the cardinals welcomed the homosexuals with open arms to the seminary

So sad.

[uncbob]

Many Christian denominations suffer moral crisis these days. Homosexuals and feminazis were let to run churches their preferred ways.

One of the reasons that this occurs is because of the christians themselves

Too damn many of them vote for the socialistic, pro abortion, homosexual agenda pushing creep politicians. They do it because they were born democrats or they think the socialistics are going to give them something for nothing . If these bums were voted out of office the whole climate would change

[GenXFreedomFighter]

If I say — loudly, publicly, and repeatedly — that I run the cleanest house in the world and someone finds moldy tile and makes a big deal of it — why'd that happen?

There are always going to be bad people and weaklings in the Church - because it's made up of people! The Church has always said this. Just as Judas betrayed Christ, there will always be Judases who betray their covenant with God. This isn't the first scandal the Church has survived, and it won't be the last.

[BibChr]

I think I basically agree with what you're saying... I think. But one point that I think is missed by many is this: while RC apologists strike the pose that the RC is utterly unified and one, while Protestantism has 25 tetrazillion denominations, the truth is that the RCC contains within itself 25 tetrazillion denominations.

For instance, to take up from what you're saying, in Protestantism there are denominations in which homosexuality is tolerated: United Methodist and (the ironically named) United Church of Christ.

Homosexuality is — as we see — also tolerated in the RCC. Just not formally, and not outwardly, and within the overarching organization.

Dan

[sinkspur]

FYI -- Hatred of the good for being the good is typical within evil ideologies and evil philosophies.

There's nothing good about pederasty. Covering it up is even worse.

I hate to see this, but the bishops made their bed and now they've got to lie in it.

[sinkspur]

that it demands such devotion of its adherents that when it says white is black they are forced to compel their minds to accept the absurd,

Dan, your hatred of the Catholic Church is bigoted and hateful.

A Jekyll-side of your otherwise pleasant personna.

[Cable225]

Nice rant.

Could it have anything to do with that, do you think?

Not very Christian of you there, Dan.

[BibChr]

Mm; but if you'd listened to as many RC apologists as I have, you'd have heard again and again about how united and perfect the RCC is, unlike all other churches, because it is The One True Organization. And we are talking about church officials who, themselves, are under the care of other officials. So what part of the RCC is perfect and flawless? Only the Pope? Nobody living? But something is supposed to be perfect about it, or so the defenders say.

Dan

[ArrogantBustard]

I just wonder why my plain-sense questions

Snicker... Snort... Chortle... GUFFAW!!! ROFL!!!. Danny boy, nothing you have to say regarding the Catholic Church is "plain sense". That you have the effrontery to style your snide, sarcastic, and dishonest question as "plain-sense" reveals much about you, none of it good.

I'll answer, though, for the sake of lurkers. Stripped of its illogical baggage, your question is "How can the Church founded by Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ, the Son of God, have sinners in it?" I suggest you ask Judas Iscariot, he might have an answer for you. You might also ask Simon Peter. He might have some insight into the matter. Jesus promised the He would be with us, His Church, always, and the the gates of Hell would not prevail against His Church. He didn't promise there wouldn't be a few evil people amongst us.

AB

[BibChr]

Would you please quote the hateful questions, above, and relate the times I've treatedy you hatefully?

And it it's so low, perhaps you could answer the questions? A couple have been brave enough to have an honest go at it. How could you be threatened by the prospect?

And while you're at it, explain to me the difference between a bigot and someone who has principled points of disagreement.

Dan

[heyheyhey]

Sorry, I couldn't answer your whole question in #8 as it insinuates a number of things that are not true about the Catholic Church.
This is the Catholic Church's stance on homosexuality.