AMNESTY by BUSH - The Truth about Section 245(i)

March 19th, 2002 | Compiled by Sabertooth

[Texasforever]

Sure. Name one.

[Texasforever]

Sure. Name one.

[Dave S]

Thanks for your evasive answers.

It doesnt pay to answer a fool such as yourself. You have created your own little world in which you hide. Cringe little man.

[Sabertooth]

Come on Saber! You called the president a liar based on a quote you admitedly made up yourself?

You really don't read well when you're excited.

The "quote" was an assumption that gave th President the benefit of the doubt that he wouldn't legalize illegal aliens. The headline made a claim that the article didn't support.

Was that an unreasonable assumption?

Is it true that President Bush wouldn't legalize Illegals?

I simply worked with the assumption that he wouldn't, in accordance with the headline.

Then, assuming that the headline was true ("Bush says he won't legalize immigrants") I made a conditional statement:

If the Senate approves and Bush signs the 245(i) modifications, we'll have a mini-amnesty for about 200,000 illegals, against the will of the American people.

And we'll also have a liar in the White House by the name of George W. Bush.

Note the emphasis on the word If in my conditional statement.

This is a logically valid statement. Whether it's true or not will depend on the outcome in the Senate, and whether President Bush actually promised not to legalize any Illegals.

Do you know the difference between logically valid, and true?

Weren't you the guy who said he wanted his logic above a Jr. High level?

Here's your chance.

[WRhine]

If you are going to mock others, then atleast educate yourself. 245(i) is part of Federal Immigration law. Its not a bill. Its Federal Law. The bill that was voted on in the house was HR 1885. Dont take so much pride in displaying your ignorance. BTW, you are also wrong on what the ammended 245(i) would do.

Look I've mentioned HR 1885 many times in my posts as being the bill that the house passed last week. To hair split on what Section 245I represents is frivolity on your part. And as for the latter...PROVE IT. I'll take the meaning of entering "without inspection" as a nice way of saying entering ILLEGALLY.

[Buckeroo]

"I am considering presidential endorsement of campaign finance reform." -- President of the United States of America, George Bush

[Texasforever]

Oh Buck you are just pitiful.

Candidate GW Bush‘s Campaign Finance Proposal

Sounds a whole lot like what has just been passed.

[DB]

Some brain you have.

[Sabertooth]

Do broken campaign pledges count?

How about the promise to the American People that the 1986 Amnesty for Illegals would be "one time only."

Whether or not Bush made Amnesty pledges in the campaign, isn't the 1986 promise more sacrosanct?

[Dave S]

The lawbreakers get the fast track to residency and citizenship while law abiding immigrants get pushed forever to the back of the line.

If I thought you cared even one whisker for the law abiding immigrant you say is getting pushed to the back of the line this wouldnt be so funny. Legal or illegal, no matter, you just dont want immigrants taking away your job opportunities in the fruit and vegetable fields.

[Buckeroo]

You are twisting issues. The point is clear. The point is simple, as well. This "amnesty bill" that the president encourages Congress to pass ... extends processes and methods for illegals to become entitled towards US citizenship.

It is incredible that a president would endorse a policy so broad and pervasive so as to permit terrorists free capability after 9/11.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Bush says he won't legalize immigrants

The News Mexico | Friday, March 15, 2002 | Stevenson Jacobs, The News Staff - 3/14/2002

Posted on 3/15/02 2:36 AM Pacific by JohnHuang2

U.S. President George W. Bush on Wednesday denied he was considering legalizing over three million undocumented Mexicans living in the United States, government news agency Notimex reported.

Ok now, try to keep up here.

This is an actual copy of the article being discussed.

Ok, ready?

And now what Saber said:

"There's actually no direct quote in this article to support the headline (remember that part), but let's give the President the benefit of the doubt momentarily, and assume that a true "Bush says he won't legalize (illegal alien) immigrants" quote was hastily omitted..."

"If the Senate approves and Bush signs the 245(i) modifications, we'll have a mini-amnesty for about 200,000 illegals, (That's way less than three million, isn't)

OK, I'll wait...

Told you!

Let's go on.

"...against the will of the American people."

OK, stop...Bush said that he wouldn't grant amnesty to three million, Saber's worst case scenario seems to be at somewhere around 350,000.

"And we'll also have a liar in the White House by the name of George W. Bush."

Now, why would Saber call the President a liar for telling the truth?

[Luis Gonzalez]

"How about the promise to the American People that the 1986 Amnesty for Illegals would be "one time only."

Bush (George W) made that promise?

Source please.

"Whether or not Bush made Amnesty pledges in the campaign, isn't the 1986 promise more sacrosanct?"

Sacrosanct?

Please!

[Buckeroo]

During the McCain/Bush presidential debates .... Bush was against all of it. He has turned out like his pop with an interesting twist, "read my lips ... as they murmur new and unexpected changes of our nation's destiny."

[Dave S]

If you reread the post, you'll see that I said "she and her family" should be sent back - ie, she and her children too. I didn't say to separate them. Of course, her children need their mother.

Fool, why should her kids leave. They are American citizens with just as many rights as you or didnt you know that either. God the level of ignorance on this website is truly amazing. Didnt some of these people complete junior high? No wonder they are so frightened about immigrants taking their jobs.

[WRhine]

Sure. Name one.

1) Bush ran on a platform of school choice and vouchers yet he nevertheless signed Ted Kennedy’s education bill that excluded both vouchers and school choice and increased federal involvement in our school system...precisely the exact opposite of what Bush campaigned on.

2) Bush in a response to a question about illegal immigration during his campaign said that he would "protect our borders". Do you honestly believe Bush is protecting our borders?

3) Bush said over and over that he was against the McCain/Feingold Campaign Finance Reform bill. Yet, just last week he said during a beltway roast of Tom Daschle that he was going to sign that bill. Do you honestly believe he won't sign that bill?

[Dave S]

It is incredible that a president would endorse a policy so broad and pervasive so as to permit terrorists free capability after 9/11

Puffing on our crack pipe again are we Buckeroo?

[WRhine]

If I thought you cared even one whisker for the law abiding immigrant you say is getting pushed to the back of the line this wouldnt be so funny. Legal or illegal, no matter, you just dont want immigrants taking away your job opportunities in the fruit and vegetable fields.

Do you know me? Yeah, I'm just a mean ol' vegetable picker that got displaced by a Mexican last month. LOL. You guys are a trip.

[Sabertooth]

Now, why would Saber call the President a liar for telling the truth?

Because I didn't. You missed the point, and missed your chance. Logic is beyond you tonight.

You are not interested in hinest debate, as your next post will also show.